average registered nursing salaries not worth it…..nurse

I have been a pediatric nurse for 4 years. I have been gravely disappointed in this profession for about 2 years…around the time i started thinking of alternatives to nursing. I decided to try travel nursing which just went to show me that all hospitals are relatively the same and the patients and their families at every hospital literally consider the nurse the problem, as if i was the one that caused their child to fall ill….but the doctor..the doctor is god….. never mind the stress of working with almost all females, their complaining, their obesity, their selfishness. Forget the mangement! you are only a number to them…..

what did i think i was doing when i make their career choice??? the nights, the rotating, the weekends, the nights, the holidays…

forget this, i am going to beauty school this summer, and i refuse to step back in the halls of a hospital, the white uniform and hat….i’ve come to flinch at the thought of it.

Whom ever says nursing is full of satisfaction never worked on a med-surg floor, never had a parent scream at them for no reason, never had an md make them cry, never had to deal with 20 women full of complaining hormones, and never worked so hard that you never got a lunch break, or realized that you worked so much you forgot to pee. the numbers the sress, the responsibility….you can’t pay me enough for this job.

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  1. I have been reading the good and the bad about being a male nurse on this site for awhile. It is a great sounding board. Does anyone know if there is a site dedicated to venting for male nurses. I think that is where I should direct my thoughts. It is probably unfair to the profession for me to generalize about how I am treated. Truly have only worked at 3 or 4 positions. I apologize to those men who have read my comments and felt disheartened about their prospects. Nursing shure beats picking tomatos for a living, unless you like the sunshine and the sound of the birds in the air.
  2. For a forum on men in nursing, check out: http://people.delphiforums.com/brucewilson/
  3. Man Stop focussing on yourself and focus on what a difference you can make!<br />
    You are there to take care of people, not vice versa. Your sucking everything in, why not try and push something positive out!
  4. I am self employed. I don't have to deal with whiney, gossipy, backstabbing, b*tchy women. I don't have to deal with men who make me work twice as hard as everyone else to prove I deserve a promotion or a raise. I don't have to request time off when I want a vaction. Self employment has its drawbacks though. I can't play on the internet on someone else's time! I can't call in sick and still get paid. I can't work a 40 hr week and be done at the end of the week. But, I still don't ever want to work for someone else again, making them rich while I struggle to make ends meet. <br />
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    I'm happy. I hope to still be doing this in 30 years. What do I do? I'm a recruiter and career coach. I find other people jobs so they can work for someone else.
  5. I've been nursing for almost 20 years now. I can't believe I have put that much of my life into a job that makes me miserable and now sick. I'm off on medical leave now and hate the idea of going back. <br />
    I finally became a supervisor but found that unless you kiss the butt of the one above you, forget it. <br />
    My goal was to make the staff feel more recognized for the work they do. I was verbally reprimanded in a meeting for my work on the social committee! I did this work on my own free time! After years of effort, I decided to quit the committee. It lost it's gleam for me and I am sorry that the staff will no longer get their annual "holiday party",or any other type of recognition. I can't take the criticism anymore and the nastiness of coworkers has worn me down. <br />
    I may have the fate of the last senior supervisor who went on med leave. She was canned two weeks after she returned.<br />
    The only comment I've received from superiors is "get your running shoes out, we're very busy and you'll have a lot of work to come back to"<br />
    Dreading the first day back,<br />

  6. Louise -- try home health sometime. It's a big difference.
  7. Back in the day I worked on an electronic assembly line. I was the only guy on the line. All those chicks did was wait for someone to go to the bathroom so that they could talk shit. It was so bad that I got paranoid about going to take a leak. God only knows what they said about me when I was gone. <br />
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    What's worse is whenever I looked up to rest my tired eyes, right directly in front of me sat this elephant of a woman whose butt was so freaking big that each ass cheak needed it's own seat. It was sheer torture. <br />
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    One day my girlfriend left me. I never even called in to tell them that I quit. I just quit going. About two weeks later they called me to inform me that I had been fired. I asked them; "Which part of me not showing up, for two weeks, did you not understand?"<br />
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    I remember, a few years earlier, interviewing for an assembly position and the lady interviewing me insisted that this field was not for guys. She is absolutely correct! Live and learn. NEVER AGAIN!
  8. Money money money!!!! give me money!!!
  9. I have been an RN for more than 20 years. The stress, misery and abuse I suffered at the hands of administration, physcians and fellow nurses are a crime against humanity.<br />
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    Nursing is the only profession that I can think of where the more education, experience and responsibility that you take on actually results in your being paid less than the simple staff nurse makes for putting in his/her normal shift.<br />
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    I used to be so depressed and emotionally exhausted that I would actually fantize that some car would run a red light and smash into my car so that I could go to the hospital as a patient and NOT have to work and expose myself to the stress of the unit that night. Is this not the most pathetic thing that you have ever heard?<br />
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    Ah, yes. As a nurse, you are told by administration that you are a "professional" and as such, they expect you to complete professional levels of education, hold pofessional licences, complete professional continuing education each year, adhere to professional standards, assume professional responsibilities and represent your facility/employer as a professional. <br />
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    Fine and dandy; how about recieving some of the pay and perks of being a "professional"?? No, that is a different story. When you try to stand up for yourself and for your future as a professional, you have no power and no voice. Administration immediately slaps you down and informs you that you are an hourly employee and if you do not like what is handed to you, your job is threatened and you are told that you can "hit the road". <br />
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    Does this sound like being a true professional? Hell no!! A nurse is only a "professional" as long as it fits the agenda of the doctors and the administrators.<br />
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    I used to become so depressed about being a nurse. Like many other nurses, I hated it beyond the meaning of the word. I remember thumbing through the yellow pages trying desperately to identify some job, ANY job wherein I could use my nursing education, skills and knowledge in some profession OTHER than actual nursing.<br />
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    I searched for more than 10 years to find that niche and finally, I am not even really sure how, I actually DID find something that I thought would get me out of the hospital and into a normal, healthy life.<br />
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    At first, I tried to calculate how little I could get by on. Like all other nurses, I had been trained and brainwashed into believing that I had to be an employee to find work. I intially had to get past that mentality and, I admit, it was a tough process for me.<br />
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    I figured that if I could only make $500 per week, I could eke out a life for myself. I began my new business and used my nursing skills and knowledge every day and with every client.<br />
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    I started out with virtually NO recognition and nobody knew me or my service. I found out immediately that there really WAS a demand for what I had to offer. The really wierd thing was that NO other nurse was offering my service!! The telephone calls began to flood in. <br />
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    My first year, I was shocked that I actually matched what I had made as a nurse working in a hospital with more than 20 years of experience. My secound year, I made $75,000. I am now headed into the beginning of my forth year and believe it or not, I am actually making what the US Dept of Labor lists as the average income of a Internal Medicine and OB/GYN doctor!!<br />
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    For the first time in my miserable career as a nurse, I actually FEEL like a professional and EARN professional pay. You have no idea how strange a feeling it is when I meet up with many of the docs that I once worked with and secrtly know that I make as much, if not more, money per year than they do.<br />
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    I am in the process of writing a book on my experiences. My book will give other nurses a step by step guide on how to start their own business and begin a wonderful new life for themselves and their families. A life rich with opportunity that will allow them to still work as a nurse but without all the emotional and physical pathology than comes with the traditional "pigeon hole" positions designed for nurses by doctors and hospital administrators to line their own pockets and finance their own rich lifestyles.<br />
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    My book will not be finished for a few months but anybody interested in hearing about it when it is completed may email me.<br />
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    I wish each of my fellow nurses the opportunity to have a quality of life and not have to start over with years of education and retraining to find it. Please do not dispair, the answers truly are out there, if you just know where to look.
  10. I hate being a nurse. if i didnt have to pay bills i would quit. i never stay at a job more than 3-6 months. it is so stressful! i think that in order for there not to be a nursing shortage that when a nurse has been in her career for over 6 months they should not have to work weekends unless they want to. i am so tired of working weekends. i have gone thru 2 marriages in my short career because of the hours. it sucks.
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  12. I am right there with all of you. I hate nursing with a passion! All of your comments make me feel so much better about my decision to leave nursing only 6 months after graduation. I will print out your comments for my parents to read and they can see I'm not crazy.
  13. Why is it so awful to be a nurse? I think its the powerlessness. You are always the one who is in the middle. Shit flows downhill and all the shit flows to nursing. We hear all the complaining, we see all the suffering. We do a highly technical job and don't get paid for it. Nursing is bad because of nurses. We don't promote ourselves or educate the public about what we do, so they still think we wear hats and carry bedpans. We don't demand the respect we deserve. Medicine would collapse without us. Is nursing in such a miserable state because of the people it attracts? Does it attract people who whine but keep shovelling the shit anyhow? Nursing will eventually die out because nurses refuse to stand up for themselves.
  14. I am a UK RN with 5 yrs clinical experience. I work in critical Care and earn approx 25,000 dollars a year!! For this reason I am moving to the US next year where I hope to recieve better pay and improved conditions (have you heard of the state of the 8) British health system?)
  15. I am a UK RN with 5 yrs clinical experience. I work in critical Care and earn approx 25,000 dollars a year!! For this reason I am moving to the US next year where I hope to recieve better pay and improved conditions (have you heard of the state of the 8) British health system?)
  16. What the hell does your coworkers obesity and/or gender status have to do with your dissatisfaction? Ignorance is bliss...you blindly blame them as your patient's families blindly blamed you.
  17. In case you just read my previous message, "What the hell does your coworkers obesity and/or gender status, etc." and were wondering what the hell I am talking about... I was replying to a message that a nurse wrote regarding having to work with a bunch of obese and complaining female nurses...and it pissed me off. I have read alot of messages from complaining male nurses as well. I just think that nurses are bashed enough without fellow nurses bashing them some more for being female and/or obese...you know what I mean?
  18. nursing is MEGA SHIT I would not do it if my life depends upon it. I cant wait to qualify as a DR then I can kick those bitch staff nurses arses like they used to mine when I was an aux. Hope you rot in bedpan heaven
  19. I love nursing. It gives me sooo much satisfaction to earn peanuts and get up at the crack of dawn to go and clean up shit for 12 hours. ooooooh the smell of it!!! I mean who else has to do 3 years of a uni course and then get treated by everyone else as if they have shit for brains! Man If my daughter ever thought about doing nursing I would turn off their life support machine.
    If nursing is sooooo great why does the UK have to go all over the world to staff the NHS because NO English people with half a brain want to do a career that is sooooooo crud.
    I feel bad as Im sitting next to a student nurse. poor deluded bitch!!!!"
  20. To the author of this tyrade: The nursing proffession is not the problem, your career choice was. Nursing is a hard and often thankless profession, but has many, many wonderful aspects to it as well. What about those patients that are a joy to care for? What about the personal satisfaction found in knowing that you did your best to make someone else feel better, or that you used your medical knowledge to the benefit of someone else, or that because of you, someone's life was changed for the better, or even saved? These are things to think about before bashing an entire profession based on the fact that you chose the wrong career for you. Maybe you should try a career with more of an immediate gratification aspect to it. It also sounds like you need to try a job that requires a lot less dedication, hard work and compassion, traits that you obviously lack. Also, good luck finding a job where gossip, obesity and complaining are not present, whether women are employed there or not. Men are just as fat as women and in my experience, do about 10 times more complaining, so, again, best of luck to you.
  21. You must not be a bedside nurse to write that! Notice that the people who write positive things about nursing are mainly students of nursing, new nurses, or nurses who do not work at the bedside. Notice also that many of the people whose posts are hostile toward nurses who want to leave bedside nursing do not state that they are bedside nurses (only one who does this for a living knows the nightmare that is modern nursing) and if they are bedside nurses it gives a perfect example of how one is treated by co-workers in the nursing field. I have been an RN for over ten years and the working conditions are practically third world, the low to average pay looks good to someone who scratches out a living but is NOT worth the agony of the job. I have worked in several hospitals throughout the US and in many types of settings. I am verbally abused on a daily basis from the housekeepers to the supervisors. I am physically abused by patients on a weekly basis. I have been threatened countless times by patients and family members due to no fault of mine I assure you. I rarely get breaks or lunches during my 12 1/2 - 13 hour shifts. I MIGHT get to go to the bathroom once a shift if I'm lucky and there isn't time to drink fluids so usually I don't urinate on myself. The paperwork, subsequent data entry, quadruple charting is astronomical to the point that there are too many shifts where I spend maybe an hour total with each of my two to three critical care patients per shift. The hospitals I work at now sometimes runs out of emergency drugs and has run out of endotracheal tube trays on more than one occasion, there is little qualified staff available, the soap and paper towel dispensers are frequently empty, clean linen is minimal, the dirty utility room has dirty linen stinking to the ceiling and falling on the floor. The garbage cans are spilling onto the floor. As a nurse I come on shift and recieve a sketchy report, stock my rooms with gloves, empty the garbage in my rooms and put it on the piles of trash spilling all over the floor of the dirty utility room, I answer the phone and transfer calls etc frequently because the hospital feels it is appropriate to staff one unit clerk for four critical care units in a traum center. I fax and enter mine and others orders because the unit clerk is slammed and mad that she's being abused like that. I check my med drawers to find that many of the meds have not been delivered, I fill out order sheets, fax them, give report to another slammed RN and go to the pharmacy to get the shifts meds for my patients. I check my careplans to see what supplies I need and usually order many of them from SPD as the hospital runs most departments on a skeleton crew. I go to SPD to get the items. I must operate the security doors in the trauma unit to allow visitors and doctors in as many doctors don't wear their badges to let them in. I must stuff my charts so orders can be written. I must find time to enter my patients rooms to pick up the garbage from the floor, clean the body fluids from the IV pumps and monitors, turn the monitor alarms back on as they are turned off much of the time, I must then fight a sea of visitors who take up residence in the rooms to try to see my patients. Once I get near the patient I must do a head to toe exam, change the tubing/equipment and label it, run EKG, A-line, CVP, ICP strips, post them and analyze them. I must give my 2-3 patients a full bath and linen change (usually by myself) because the hospital feels it is appropriate to staff several units with one or two techs for about 24 RN's and level 1 trauma patients. I must correct all problems with the patient and the patient's family. I must turn my patients (who are usually 250 to 600 pounds each) at least every two hours and do oral care at least every two hours. I must write down VS as often as every 5 minutes and subsequently chart it in the computer as well as in the nurses notes and other VS flowsheets. I must release my patient's wrist restraints ( to stop them from pulling out the life saving lines/tubes) every hour and do ROM and don't forget to chart that in the nurses notes, computer and other flowsheets. What I have reported here is about 5% of what I must do over the course of my shift! I must mix my own critical care infusions, check the crash cart, do the controls on the BGM, pass out meal trays three times a day (if they can eat), feed patients, clean up, chart all that too! Now we've reached about 7% of what I do in a shift...is anyone starting to see that we nurses have 2,457,000 things to do a shift and make sure there are no mistakes?! Meanwhile we are abused by staff, patients, family members, doctors, callers on the phone. The stress is off the chart. At first when I started this job I was only affected mentally and that didn't start until I was a nurse for about 2 years. After 7 years as a nurse I developed hypertension, breaking out in rashes while at work, insomnia, diarrhea alternating with constipation (depending on if I was able to eat or drink that shift), chest pain, shortness of breath. I could write about the horrors for hours and the sad thing is that the powers that be are well aware of all of this and they do not care about anything but making money however they project an image of caring while continueing to promote the nursing shortage. Want to get rid of the nursing "shortage"? Double all nurse's salary, give us a decent benefit package, pay us double time for holidays, time and a half for over 36 hours a week. Let us make our schedules-we will be fair. Give monetary incentives to work weekends and nights. It should not be mandatory to work rotating shifts, weekends and holidays. If you compensate for those shifts you will have more than enough nurses to work nights, weekends, and holidays.
    No more than 2 patients in critical care, no more than 4 patients in telemetry, no more than 6 patients on the floor, always have at least one unit clerk per unit and at least one tech and one CNA per unit, hire staff to stock and deliver supplies, meds etc so that nurses don't have to stop, write, fax, go get these things multiple times a shift. LET US HAVE BREAKS!!! Give us more than one bathroom per 40 staff members. Give us a safe place to put our work bags and personal items when we get to work. Give us enough chairs so we can sit sometimes. Give us enough computers for the nurses and staff to use. Give us enough counter space to write. Give us supplies like soap, paper towels, linens, meds, gloves etc. This is the tip of the iceberg. At the end of the fiscal year for the past few years the hospital I work for has had several million dollars left over. They have just purchased 150 acres of prime land for 19 million dollars for a new hospital and there is nothing wrong with the hospital we work in!! If my hospital would eliminate some of those high ranking people in administration there would be no financial burden on the hospital and patients would be treated like they are supposed to be because nurses would not be set up to fail as we are now. I am trapped for the moment but I am in school and get through the shift knowing I don't have to be a nurse forever. And for those who read this with the intent to flame me for what little about my job I have exposed here: I do care about people, I do want to help people, I am not a monster, I wish nursing could be like they show on TV or like they tell you it should be when you are in nursing school BUT IT"S NOT!!! The best nurses I know are so angry about what has happened to what is supposed to be a profession that they come across as aggressive and cold to some but they will leave too and be replaced by fresh faced, low paid, brand new nurses who have not yet realized the trap they have fallen into (abuse, guilt, intimidation=what I like to call "battered nurse syndrome")...but they will.
  22. I will soon start school for nursing and want to become a Nurse Practitioner any comments will be greatly appreciated.
  23. Good for you for changing your career and not let nursing continue to abuse and disrespect you, make your body grow old quickly, break your soul and take the happiness out of your life. I feel I need to warn you about something though; the problems that are in nursing are there for the most part because it is a woman's profession. Think about it. I worry now because you are now considering to once again go into another woman's profession. What plagues women's professions? Low pay, no respect, no control, no authority, no power, no prestige, bad schedule, little education.
  24. I am currently in my first semester of nursing school and I am beginning to wonder if I should pursue OT,PT, pharmacy or become a physician assistant. What stops me is the huge amount of debt and the shortage of jobs for ot and pt. I currently hold a BS in business administation and I cannot find a decent paying jobs and the jobs that pay decent I have interview for and I seem to be beat out of the position due to lack of experience. The nursing students are back stabbing and talk about one another and report you to the faculty. The faculty members are very rude to the students. Should I pursue nursing to avoid adding more huge loans to my already 50,000 in undergraduate loans or should I pursue another medical career and end up in 100,000 or more in debt?
  25. I am also a first semester Nursing student with a previous Bachelors degree in Education. I consider it an honor to be selected for Nursing School, as I beat out hundreds of applicants. Nursing sure beats teaching. Kids have no respect for anyone these days.
  26. Just wait until you work with patients and senior nurses....
  27. i am doing a school report on rn ,lpn,and a pediatric nurse does anybody know anything about the salaries and world someone like to be interviewed so i dont fail if so please email me at
    bigsweetie1989@bellsouth.net
    thank you sam
  28. Hi everybody. I am currently a nursing student at my local community college. I have one semester left to get my Associate degree in Nursing. I clicked on this web site by accident and my heart dropped as I read these emails. I have wanted to be a nurse since the 7th grade. I know from clinical experience that a lot of the nurses are not happy and I can see why. I am hoping to get a job in labor and delivery or neonatal care. I am sure some of you are thinking I am crazy but it really is something I enjoy. My intention of this message is to get some positive comments on nursing and some suggestions on how I can make nursing a good experience for me and my future co-workers. My ultimate goal is to set up a program for young mothers in the San Antonio, TX area. I have some ideas but no clue on how to get there. I thought I would need a higher level of eduacation in order to get some kind of program going but I see that many of you have persued jobs outside of the normal nursing scene and have been successful. If there is anybody out there who has suggestions, any comments or words of encouragment they would be greatly appreciated.
  29. I've been a nurse for 20 years -- from age 45 to 65 -- and have found it to be a much better job than grocery clerking, key-punching, waitressing, or prune picking. The pace in the larger hospitals was faster, but now i work in a small communitiy ICU and am feeling like I could work a while longer. What makes the job good is the support of my fellow workers, good staffing!, reasonable pay ($28.00/hr) up to date equipment and plenty of supplies. I work 2 12 hour shifts a week and get time and a half if I come in an extra day. You MUST have friends and allies at work -- be willing to teach and learn from your colleagues -- what you learned 5 years ago is not written in stone. It's nice to end a shift with a Damn! I did a good job today. The not so great days will just be nurse-friend talk later. check out the new salaries and benefits at Kaiser and Catholic Health Care West in California. They just got a great new contract last year.
  30. I've been a nurse for 20 years -- from age 45 to 65 -- and have found it to be a much better job than grocery clerking, key-punching, waitressing, or prune picking. The pace in the larger hospitals was faster, but now i work in a small communitiy ICU and am feeling like I could work a while longer. What makes the job good is the support of my fellow workers, good staffing!, reasonable pay ($28.00/hr) up to date equipment and plenty of supplies. I work 2 12 hour shifts a week and get time and a half if I come in an extra day. You MUST have friends and allies at work -- be willing to teach and learn from your colleagues -- what you learned 5 years ago is not written in stone. It's nice to end a shift with a Damn! I did a good job today. The not so great days will just be nurse-friend talk later. check out the new salaries and benefits at Kaiser and Catholic Health Care West in California. They just got a great new contract last year.
  31. Do anything else clean streets rob old grannys but dont do nursing its shity
  32. You left nothing unturned.Talk about telling the truth-Damn!I am RN also for 13 years.Just can't say anymore -you took the show-Yup!
  33. As a Registered Nurse I totally agree with you. Nurses are blamed for everything that can go wrong--never mind that you saved someone's life.. Get out while you can!!Unfortunately, I would NEVER recommend the nursing profession to anyone. The stress is not worth the money!
  34. You gripe and moan about all the negative issues in nursing, are you on any committee to improve the conditions at your facility? Are you always that negative about your job? Besides gripping, what else are you doing to make things right?

    I am a bedside nurse, 12 years now. I drudge around in a busy ER some nights where everyone is mad because they have to wait hours on end. Some nights, I work in the CCU/ICU, where I might have 2 or 3 critical pts. There have been nights when all were vented and on more drips than you can imagine. Certain days, I work with 8 or 9 med/surg pts who have been there so long, they know every nurse by name and family. I have been screamed at by doctors, had charts thrown at me, been physically abused by alcoholics who are brought to us detoxing.

    I have been spat at, called everything under the sun and rarely take a lunch break. I have developed 5 kidney stones over the years from not caring for myself while I drudged on for 13-16 hours a shift without going to the bathroom. I bring in a cup of coffee at the beginning of a shift and pour it out as I am ready to go home.

    How could anyone every enjoy nursing?Why do I do it, you ask?
    --- God encouraged me to join this profession for others-NOT ME.
    ---All the problems from a whole shift are erased with a single THANK YOU.
    ---Holding the hand of a pt while she is dying without her family there to tell her they love her.
    ---To help a tech whose back is killing her because the nurse "had to have a break before I could help you." Afterall, that was the 10th bath she had given for the night and the physical stress caused her three miscarriages already.
    ---Telling a pt it is ok to die, to simply give them permission to quit the long, hard, perilous battle they faced from cancer, aids or even abuse AND SEE A LOOK OF PEACE BEFORE THEY DRAW THEIR LAST BREATH.
    ---To see a new nurse come into the profession who joined nursing for the patients NOT FOR THE MONEY.
    ---To see a new nurse grasp a concept that was foreign to her, or did not make any sense in the textbook she learned it from.
    ---To have a rape victim cry on my shoulder because no one understood. To tell her that she will make it through, even though all seems lost.
    ---To have the same doctor who threw a chart at me, need me to help him one day. To be a professional and help him, later to hear him apologize, and say thank you. ONLY TO learn that he went off on you because he just lost a pt that was like family to him. To find out he just took that case so personally, he felt he failed that same pt and his family.
    ---To stand up for others who cannot do it for themselves!!
    ---To see that detoxing pt leave the hospital ENCOURAGED TO LIVE LIFE FREE FROM ALCOHOL. For her to tell me, a drunk driver hit her and killed her family-this is why she took it up in the first place.
    ---To empty the trash for a housekeeper who is moving too slow in your eyes, only to find out that her son died that day but she could not afford to take the day off. Afterall, she had 2 other children to support (2 she adopted since there mother and father were killed) and her elderly mother who was kicked out of the nursing home because she owned her own property--you know the one that has a roof caving in and no heat in the winter. Medicaid denied her because the property was 100 dollars more than they allowed.
    ---To see a 21 year old gang member take 14 gun shot wounds (11 to the trunk, 2 on the arm and one on his wedding finger) and decide that this is his opportunity to be the father he wasn't to his 2 children. He left the gang, found God, and lives a productive life--from a wheelchair, with a colostomy, and with a hope he never had.
    --To see the smile of a unit clerk when one nurse out of 24 is willing to take off a few lousy orders rather than throw it at her to do.


    THAT IS WHAT NURSING IS ALL ABOUT!!! THE HOURS ARE LONG, THE PAY COULD BE BETTER, WE COULD ALWAYS USE MORE STAFF--IT'S NOT A PAT-ME-ON-THE-BACK PROFESSION. IT IS HOWEVER A SELF GRATIFYING, RANDOM ACTS OF KINDNESS PROFESSION. IF FAME AND GLORY ARE WHAT YOU SEEK, NO ITS NOT FOR YOU!!!

    I had rather work short with caring nurses than to be overstaffed with people complaining and moaning about a profession they entered because "the pay is good, it's much better than flipping burgers or cleaning toilets."

    Good luck with your next career...I hope you find the peace and joy I have found in wiping hineys, emptying trash, caring for patients, not pottying, being screamed at, being abused and paid less than most veteran textile workers.
  35. Wow, that was a really great post. You really put things in perspective. I hope others will take your post to heart and discover what they might be able to do to make their career in nursing more gratifying.
  36. sounds like someone's a little bitter. shut up and quit then, you're not the right person for the job.
  37. you are obviously a homosexual and give male nurses a bad name
  38. WOW! I bitch about my job...usually on a daily basis because my HIV positive patient won't stop yelling at me, someone's colostomy bag just blew off and is leaking into her 2 foot deep abdominal packing, I have 3 people getting blood with no aide to take vitals, I've cleaned all my patients, taken off all my orders, spoken to pharmacy 5 times about why my meds aren't in the machine, been punched, peed on and called degrading names by an alcoholic who is detoxing and the TWO MINUTE OLD MD won't give me an Ativan order, central supply is out of normal saline bottles and my TURP down the hall is screaming in agony because he is clotted off...I've cleaned that guy they put near the nurses station more times then there are hours in the day..who wants that job?? I do....because an 80 year old woman who's been through more surgeries in a month than most people are in their lifetime is leaving for rehab tomorrow...and she's telling me that if it wasn't for the nursing care, she never would have made it through. Because a man who came in for a simple surgery, spent 4 months in the hospital with numerous complications d/t his cancer and just died at home, where he was sent a week ago...and his wife just sent a heartwrenching letter about his final week at home, how wonderful it was, and if it wasn't for the nurses and the care we provided, he may never have made it there. Because I see patients day in and day out that treat me like crap because they are sick and feel horrible, but the day they leave tell me that the nursing care was wonderful and they are so thankful. I may not make enough money, and I may come home and complain about my job more days than I come home happy about what I've done. But it's the little things....a small pat on the hand that makes me love my job, a touching letter, a smile of gratitude. Yeah the MDs can suck...but when you learn to stand up to them...I've found most of them back off and actually listen to what you have to say. And yes my job entails more than taking care of patients...the annoying task of getting what you need from pharmacy, central supply, taking out the trash...etc, etc, etc. But when I look at my life, I couldn't imagine doing anything else. Maybe I'm just lucky to work with such a great staff...but to all those nursing students out there....if it's something you want, go out and try it. No one can guarantee you'll be happy. But if you keep in mind why you joined the profession in the first place, you will be rewarded.
  39. Wow. I thought pretty much all nurses who worked in hospitals were in unions. Is this not the case?

    For some here who have next to no support from administrators, I'd get a union going, if one didn't exist.

    Just a thought!
  40. if nursing was what you thought you wanted to do you should have done more research on it before hand. anyone will tell you that it is hard work and it takes several character traits that you may be lacking. i am only 14 years old and plan on becoming an RN, and later moving on to other things, but i have done alot of research on the job. i know it takes patience, responsibility and TIME. though i am glad i have been able to receive another point of view on the job. good luck in your future.
  41. YOU PEOPLE HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME....

    I am so sick of people in society who have to whine and complain and bitch about where they work. I see it everywhere.
    I am a nursing student and DO NOT regret it.
    I have pet peeve against really opinionated people who feel they have to pull everyone else around them down. Misery loves company I guess.

    bit of info (at least where I'm from)- most staff RN's make approx. $40-45K a year. Personally..that is not bad at all...especially for a bachelor's degree. How is that low pay? Be a traveling RN- they pay your housing, a bonus, competitive salary, and the ability to travel.

    people are so greedy...rude...and love money so much. if you are so sick of the job then LEAVE..but don't wine and boohoo at everyone else....which let me you in on a little secret:
    By doing this YOU ARE making the nursing situation worse by scaring others away. I hope you don't have to be the one on a severely understaffed floor even worse than today's standard as a patient.

    where I live at least...and it is close to downtown...is not too bad. I volunteered a long time on several floors, and yes it is very busy..and you have deal with some stuff---but this crazy verbal/physical abuse, "third world" conditions..etc. is ABSURD. Most patients are great...maybe that's just because of my location in the US I dunno.

    RIDICULOUS. Please don't give me the whole "I've lived through this 20 years....etc.."
  42. Nursing is definitely not for everyone. What job is perfect? Unfortunately, none. I would much rather have a job as a nurse and have a secure, well-paying future for myself and my family. Who wants to be stuck in a factory making 7 or 8 dollars an hour. Those of you who whine about it, you should be thankful that you are able to make a good living for you and your family. There are plenty people out there who haven't the means to go to school and earn a degree in nursing at all. You need to go work in a factory for a month or two and you'd be begging for a nursing opportunity. Also, about another comment made, male nurses are 75% of the time, the laziest kind to work with. So far, every single one of them I've worked with are smooth, talking and end up with everyone else doing their crap for them. What a joke! Believe me, they do their share of complaining, too. I wouldn't say I love my job every single day, but occassionally, I have a very kind, appreciative patient that makes the bad days worth it. Quit complaining everyone. Life is too short. Count your blessings!
  43. I am currently a nurse working in a pediatric hospital. I have felt for a while all the frustration that I have seen displayed on various responses and original postings. All talk of leaving the profession, feeling sorry for those who enter. How will things change? I really don't know the answer to this - and honestly want to try to find out - not just complain. Is it because it is a "woman's profession" that it has this stigma of backbiting, and the "woe is me" attitude? Why do we allow this? Why do men do better in "our" profession than we do? I believe that men are NOT brought up to believe that they have to put up w/shit and that they can't change it. Women do think this way. If a guy doesn't like something - he is vocal w/out being petty - and he is aggressive for the change not whiny. I think it is time to stand up and try to be the voice of change. It won't happen overnight but if we allow it to continue then the professional image will never change, the attitude will never change and we will continue to be disappointed in our choice of profession and the path it follows. Do we really want to leave this legacy to the next generation of nurses or do we want to be the advocates and make this the profession we imagined when we were in nursing school?
  44. I ACCIDENTALLY STUMBLED ONTO THIS SITE WHEN ENTERING NURSING SALARY SEARCH AND I HAVE BEEN SITTING HERE READING THESE POSTINGS AND GRINNING!!! I AM A MED SURG NURSE, I HAVE BEEN A NURSE FOR 5 YEARS. MED SURG NURSING SUCKS!!! I AGREE WITH THE OTHERS THAT THE CONDITIONS ARE DEPLORABLE. ADMINISTRATION TRIES TO MAKE IT SEEM LIKE THEY ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE PATIENT BUT IT ALL COMES DOWN TO MONEY. IF THEY REALLY CARED ABOUT THE PATIENT THERE WOULD BE LOWER NURSE TO PATIENT RATIOS. ASK YOURSELF, WOULD YOU WANT THE NURSE CARING FOR YOUR MOM OR CHILD,ETC TO HAVE SEVEN OTHER SICK PATIENTS??? OF COURSE NOT. THAT'S WHEN MISTAKES HAPPEN, THAT'S WHEN YOU ARE SO BUSY THAT YOU DON'T GET TO CHECK ON YOUR PATIENTS AS OFTEN AS YOU WOULD LIKE SO YOU WALK IN AND FIND SOMEONE DEAD AND ITS TOO LATE TO SAVE THEM. I TOO THOUGHT THAT IT WAS JUST THE HOSPITAL I WORKED AT SO I WENT INTO TRAVEL NURSING AND I HATE IT!!! I FOUND OUT THAT MED SURG FLOORS ARE THE SAME WITH THE SAME PROBLEMS AND CO-WORKERS ARE MEAN TO YOU FOR NO REASON, AND DOCTORS ARE RUDE AND TALK DOWN TO YOU. TRY PRECEPTING A NEW NURSE AND TRYING TO BE POSITIVE ABOUT NURSING AND SITTING BY HER WHILE SHE CALLS THE DOC FOR THE FIRST TIME AND THE DOC MAKES HER CRY!!! AND NO RECOURSE FOR THIS. THEY ARE ALLOWED TO DO IT, WHEN YOU COMPLAIN TO CHARGE NURSES THEY HAVE THEIR OWN STORIES ABOUT WHEN THE DOC MADE THEM CRY BUT IT JUST CONTINUES, NO ONE IS SUPRISED, APPALLED. BUT THE PATIENTS JUST LOVE THE DOCTOR, IF THEY ONLY KNEW WHAT THAT DOC WAS SAYING ABOUT THEM, INAPPROPRIATE COMMENTS ABOUT THEIR WEIGHT OR THAT HE BIT THE NURSE'S HEAD OFF FOR CALLING HIM AT 2 AM TO GET AN ORDER FOR PAIN MEDICATION. OR THAT THEY JUST EXAMINED THREE PATIENTS IN A ROW AND HAS YET TO WASH HIS HANDS. I AM SO DISSATISFIED I DON'T KNOW WHAT I AM GOING TO DO
  45. How sad that it is should be such a fufilling profession and its beats us down. I do love caring for people and am good at it but the way we are treat is just awful. Short staffed overworked accomplishments unreconized. The Llist could go on forever.
    Yes hormones, obesity, miserable women and men, complainers, failed relationships due to the demanding hours and how much OT must be worked to makes some decent $$$ after 8 years in critical care i am still paying my student loans and am exhausted from the job but am stuck on what to do. not eating like a human not peeing when needed, not being allowed a beverage in the work station but not able to leave b/c your too busy,not being respected from the "higher disciplines"ie MD's without a fight. ughhhhhhhhhhh Does any of this sound familiar?
    There has to be a better way.
    Any suggestions email me. pjbrose@aol.com
  46. You should do what truly makes you happy. I am looking at accumulating the same amount of debt as you have, but I refuse to let that stop me. I always wanted to pursue nursing, and one bachelors degree and almost a second masters degree later, I will. I will worry about the costs later. I say go for it.
  47. To the nursing student who thinks we're all kidding: Just you wait, my pretty. It won't be long before your spirit is broken too. Here's my tale of two patients.......I've done this job five years. It doesn't get better. I realized just how awful this job was a few weeks off orientation as I cared for eight stepdown patients one nightshift (a nurse called in sick). Three patients coded on the unit that night two at the same time. Two nurses in one room, me and an intern in another. Yes, for 24 very sick patients we had only 3 nurses. As we worked tirelessly on these two, I had a gi bleed actively bleeding who needed 4 units of blood. I was later screamed at by an MD because I was too busy coding a patient and had to start the transfusion two hours later. When all was said and done, one patient made it, the other didn't. As the first patient was rolled off the unit to the ICU, I went to get the shroud kit. As I walked past the main monitors, I realized I needed two. The terminal DNR patient died. Alone............ALONE!!! I was too busy helping save someone else's life to comfort a dying human being. Just as we thought the dust was settling and we deperately tried to play catch up, yet another pt coded and died. To add insult to injury, the supervisor who was no where to be found that night called up to the unit to hustle us to get the bodies down to the morgue because there were patients in the ER waiting to come up. The beds didn't even have a chance to get cold. Not to mention during all of this two patients fell out of bed, one sat in a puddle of diarrhea holding a dislodged Jp drain in his hand. We didn't leave the next morning until 1030 AM. Fifteen and a half hours of sheer hell. That dying man haunts me to this day. Don't tell me that I shouldn't complain. Please shake me and snap me back to reality the day I stop complaining. Jazzy RN
  48. We are not making this up. The nurses who have written their grief on these boards can hardly be taken lightly.

    I didn't have online access way back when I started out in nursing stalag school. And the school should have been a wake up call in itself. What kind of "teachers" would reprimand you all the way through school and treat you like scum? Well, teachers that were teaching "reality" based courses. That's what nursing was and is. You are treated like scum.

    Yeah. Sometimes you'll save a life. Someone will thank you. Someone will say, "You're the best nurse I've ever had." Don't be too surprised that they will tell the night shift that you "didn't do that, this, etc."

    If you can find a hospital, (yes, the hospitals are killing nurses) that is proactive to nursing, try to stick with it. I never worked there, but the nurses at Cedar's Sinai in LA seemed to have been there for a a long, long time. That's a clue. They are few and far between.

    Yeah, you can work forever and get a job anywhere as a nurse. If you read the news, you can read about nurses who kill people getting another job in another hospital. We are needed that badly.

    But consider yourself warned, you nursing students and first year victims. I KNOW your nursing instructors treated you like crap too. That's the game. Don't get into nursing. Get OUT.
  49. Anonymous "If you can find a hospital, (yes, the hospitals are killing nurses) that is proactive to nursing, try to stick with it. I never worked there, but the nurses at Cedar's Sinai in LA seemed to have been there for a a long, long time. That's a clue. They are few and far between."


    Do you know anyone who works there? Do they like it? How is Cedar's Sinai in LA proactive to nursing?
  50. I am returning to school after being out for 12 years. My first degree was in Animal science, which I loved but there are few jobs with decent pay. I am now a single mom to three girls and I am struggling thru Anatomy and Physiology - is Nursing school a mistake? I have considered PA school or Nurse Administration - but if Nursing is so awful and one person on this forum makes the Nurse Administration personelle seem horrible too!

    Please reply to:
    Trainurk9@yahoo.com

    thanks!
    Lisa
  51. We all went into nursing for the right reasons didn't we?

    1. Nursing is a universal career.

    2. We will always need nurses. You can leave at anytime and always return to nursing.

    3. I'm a caring person who enjoys helping others.

    4. Nursing is a career, highly skilled.

    5. Nursing pays better than most jobs out there.

    6. Besides teaching or a computer career, nursing is one of the few jobs women are highly respected for.

    7. My mother was a nurse. We have a lot of nurses in my family.

    8. I need job security.

    I'm sure there are other reasons people went into nursing; these are mine. It's not going to be the same for everybody. I'm a single mom too. And, as a single mom I struggled in nursing school too. But, if you think its not easy for you now, it doesn't get any better. I hate discouraging people from what they really want to do but since you're still in the early stages of school, you have a choice. Many of us don't have a choice. Nursing is all we know. And if we could change careers in an instant, we would. I was told not to get into nursing, but I took what people told me as a challenge. I suggest you listen to what people are saying in these forums. The sad thing I learnt from listening to this forum is that this is a global issue...same crap everywhere you go.

    As for being a successful nursing administrator, here is some advice...
    If you are too nice, you will never make it as a nursing administrator. You might get hired, then eventually weaned out.

    When you're hiring nurses, the best staff nurses are the "know-it-all" ones who are able to pounce on the weaker ones. Those are the only nurses you should listen to in order to be a successful nursing administrator.
  52. I am currently in my last semester of nursing school and have been working in the hospitals for 5 years as an CNA. All of you people trying to scare everyone away from the profession are making me sick. Instead of spreading your misery around this thread, the hospital, the pts, your home life, etc. QUIT!!!!!! Not that hard. Stop bitching about it and LEAVE!!! Why stay in a job you hate so much. Give me a break. It is what you make it, if the conditions are unsafe at your hospital use the Safe Harbor Act, report the conditions and CHANGE THINGS!!! I have had issues at the hospital I work at and with some effort have managed to change things for the better. You can do the same or quit and find a place that fits you. There are soooo many options out there that you don't need to be miserable doing your job.
  53. I have no idea what the "Safe Harbor Act" or a "CNA" is. Can you please explain that to me? I am Canadian and we don't have that here.
    Just remember that the complaints you hear on this site are universal! I'm interested in knowing how you changed unsafe conditions in your hospital using this act.

    I want to know how "reporting conditions changes things" especially as a nurse. Last time I reported a condition I was not happy with I was treated as if I was less of a nurse. How do you report conditions such as "work overload" or "nursing burnout" in order to make a change?

    For a nursing student you seem to know a lot!
  54. Nursing is sad. I've done it for over twenty years. Getting a four year BSN meant nothing. I am payed no more for having a better degree than others, and I am not saying I am a better person. But all of my sisters and brothers in nursing know of the unfairness and abuse we faced when fresh out of school. No other profession is faced with the stress we are, except perhaps policemen (and women) -- and yet they are able to retire at age 40 with excellent benefits. The unfortunate way in which nurses are treated in our culture leads to severe self-esteem issues. It is rare that I find a decent, well-rounded nurse. In fact 80% are whacked. They are either totally drained, exausted, depressed people, or pretentious asses (trying to pretend they're Nancy Nurse wonderful). The Nancy Nurses have usually been abused or are COA's. No one should go into nursing. It needs to become something else, something not so Flo. Nightengalish, if you know what I mean. But I still do it, tried to find a somewhat acceptable niche, have to earn a living don't we? But in many ways, the stress of nursing has ruined aspects of my being, my life.
  55. Quote:
    Originally posted by Unregistered
    you are obviously a homosexual and give male nurses a bad name

  56. i have worked in the psychiatric nursing profession for four years now. yes, nursing is a thankless profession. i am not a nurse, but have i see what they go through every day. i clean up after and take care of incontinent, confused, and beligerent patients. the families are mostly ungreatful and disapproving. the doctors believe the sun shines out of their you know what. the fellow nurses and techs can be whiney, pissy, and backstabbing.

    however, your personal attitude towards your job and your coworkers makes all the difference in the world. also, if your coworkers care about their job, it makes a difference, too. i worked in a horrible hospital where gossip was all that happened and patient care suffered greatly. people were afraid of losing thier jobs just based on the gossip that would float around. i now work in a geriatric psychiatric unit at a big hospital.

    the nurses roll with the punches. the job is stressful, but the pay off is big if you are right for the job. kindness and caring can make all the difference for a difficult patient. there is nothing more rewarding than having a patient tell you 'thank you' or seeing that you brightened their day.

    treat the patient how you would want to be treated yourself. ask them how their day went. take time to let them know you care. and above all practice the art of diplomacy. even the most crazy, obnoxious SOB of a patient can be tamed.

    i know their are nurses reading this who think i am nuts. but it works. nursing is a high stress, thankless profession. but, there are those of us who take pride in the fact that we made a difference in someone.

    being selfless and caring is not meant for everyone.
  57. yes...you are nuts. I was a unit secretary for many years before I did my nursing. I use to think the same way as you. To suggest that there are nurses who are not selfless and caring is wrong! Since your not a nurse, I suggest you keep your comments to yourself!
  58. Quote:
    Originally posted by Unregistered
    nursing is MEGA SHIT I would not do it if my life depends upon it. I cant wait to qualify as a DR then I can kick those bitch staff nurses arses like they used to mine when I was an aux. Hope you rot in bedpan heaven
    Then you're part of the problem ... The profession's already full of IDIOT doctors ... it doesn't need more like YOU!
  59. Quote:
    Originally posted by Unregistered
    I am returning to school after being out for 12 years. My first degree was in Animal science, which I loved but there are few jobs with decent pay. I am now a single mom to three girls and I am struggling thru Anatomy and Physiology - is Nursing school a mistake? I have considered PA school or Nurse Administration - but if Nursing is so awful and one person on this forum makes the Nurse Administration personelle seem horrible too!

    Please reply to:
    Trainurk9@yahoo.com

    thanks!
    Lisa
    Go to PA School! You'll earn more money and command MUCH more respect! True ... the science load is heavy, but after a degree in Animal Sci., it'll be a breeze for you! Good luck!
  60. I have been a bedside nurse for 30+ years and still really enjoy it. It has been a great career choice for me. I have mostly worked in university hospital settings, and have always found that the attending and resident physicians respect me and my opinions. It saddens me that so many of the responses are so negative. I'm not sure what was expected when these folks entered nursing, but hospitals are typically open 24/7 and someone has to work all 365 days a year. Everything is not perfect, of course, but then neither is anything else. Attitude is everything.
  61. I've read all the posts about how much everyone seems to hate nursing. I must be in the minority, but I really like my job. I think that a person's outlook on nursing all depends on where you work and how much support you get from your coworkers and management. I work in a step down pediatric cardiology unit, and everyone on my unit works as a team. We usually have only three to four patients each because our hospital is very concerned with patient safety, and not overloading each nurse so that we can practice effective and safe care.

    I think the problem is not in nursing, but may be in each individual hospital. Maybe it would help if you guys chose to work in a hospital that limited the number of patients you can take.

    Also, if you do not feel that your assignment is safe, consider filling out the Safe Harbor form, which basically makes you not responsible for something bad happening to your patient if your assignment was truly unsafe. (Maybe that's just in Texas, but I'd look into it.)

    Every nurse has their crazy busy days. Every nurse has days they don't get a lunch break, and barely get to go to the bathroom, but if you're in a hospital that supports their nurses, I think it makes all the difference so that those days don't happen very often.

    Also make sure that you're doing nursing for the right reasons - to help make life better for someone else, and not for the money, otherwise you'll never be satisfied.
  62. Quote:
    Originally posted by Ian levitatedfreedom@yahoo.com
    Man Stop focussing on yourself and focus on what a difference you can make!<br />
    You are there to take care of people, not vice versa. Your sucking everything in, why not try and push something positive out!
    when you are a nurse you dont have to suck anything in. people are more than happy to shove it in your ears and up your rear nonstop. well you do wind up sucking in air full of tb, mrsa, vre,aids, fungus, and everything else nasty that can drift or spray into the air right under your nose. and just how do you figure you are making such a difference. with all the time, the individually figured drug regime, the comforting special attention you can give to all the patients in the total of two minutes a day(if that) that you can spend with each patient.
  63. Quote:
    Originally posted by mrsmindbender
    i have worked in the psychiatric nursing profession for four years now. yes, nursing is a thankless profession. i am not a nurse, but have i see what they go through every day. i clean up after and take care of incontinent, confused, and beligerent patients. the families are mostly ungreatful and disapproving. the doctors believe the sun shines out of their you know what. the fellow nurses and techs can be whiney, pissy, and backstabbing.

    however, your personal attitude towards your job and your coworkers makes all the difference in the world. also, if your coworkers care about their job, it makes a difference, too. i worked in a horrible hospital where gossip was all that happened and patient care suffered greatly. people were afraid of losing thier jobs just based on the gossip that would float around. i now work in a geriatric psychiatric unit at a big hospital.

    the nurses roll with the punches. the job is stressful, but the pay off is big if you are right for the job. kindness and caring can make all the difference for a difficult patient. there is nothing more rewarding than having a patient tell you 'thank you' or seeing that you brightened their day.

    treat the patient how you would want to be treated yourself. ask them how their day went. take time to let them know you care. and above all practice the art of diplomacy. even the most crazy, obnoxious SOB of a patient can be tamed.

    i know their are nurses reading this who think i am nuts. but it works. nursing is a high stress, thankless profession. but, there are those of us who take pride in the fact that we made a difference in someone.

    being selfless and caring is not meant for everyone.
    you're not a nurse so you dont know what you are talking about. and i for one think you must have absolutely no psychiatric knowledge at all. all the diplomacy in the world isnt going to "tame" a crazy person. i'm sure people confronted by a psychopath ready to murder them tend to be quite diplomatic. that doesnt stop serial killers or pedophiles--does it. and i dont think that being totally selfless is even healthy at all. everybody deserves a good and happy life. even nurses.
  64. I just want to comment on the messages that I have read. I am 25 and still trying to figure out what it is that I want to do with my life. I got married and had a little girl a little to early and now want to finish school, everyone says NURSING NURSING!!! That's the way to go but I have worked in the hospital and have seen FIRST hand what nurses go through....NO WAY not for me!
  65. Well, this is for the students posting on here who just don't know the truth about nursing. I used to love nursing while I was a student, too. I was all bright eyed and positive when I started working as a nurse tech, and I was really into taking care of my patients. But after I became an RN things began to change. And it got REAL bad. I got so tired of being stabbed in the back by my coworkers, plus the horrible stress of mandatory overtime, having no control over what was going on, and the never-ending disrespect from management and the MDs made me not want to be a nurse anymore. management always say they support you but they do nothing to make the situation better. All they do is come up with new rules to give us more work to do, and every time something goes wrong we would always be blamed for it.

    I've seen many changes in the profession and the funny thing about nursing is that all the changes have brought us back almost full-circle to the 1950s, when nurses wore starched white dresses and stockings and a white cap perched on top of their heads, and the only words to come out of their mouths were: "yes, doctor", "no, doctor", and "right away, doctor." I've worked with some nice physicians but most of them were egotistical fools who think that all nurses are good for is to pass meds and give bedpans. They can say anything they want to you and you have to suck it up because if you talk back they report you to management and you will get written up for it.

    Sure, everything looks rosey when you're a nursing student. But just wait till you get your first job as an RN and you start getting the bad attitudes from senior RNs and the docs. They will tell you things that will make you feel lower than the earth. They will say the nastiest things about you behind your back, and some of them will go out of their way to look for bad things that they can report to management about you. You don't have to believe me, but you'll find out for yourself---eventually.
  66. I want people who are considering nursing and reading these posts to understand that there is some truth in what everyone is saying. Nursing is all I have ever wanted to do. When I was a little kids my brothers would play war and I would be the nurse, I had my own MASH unit and when guys got injured I would put them in a sling or give them a shot with a stick and send them back out to war.

    When I was a teenager I was a candystriper then a CNA. After HS I became a LPN, then a RN. Now I am studying to be a nurse anesthetist. That is one of the greatest things about nursing, there are so many different fields. If you hate med/surg, you may love ICU, or home health, or dialysis...there are so many possibilities.

    The only reason to become a nurse is that you care about people, you are curious about medicine and want to make a difference. Otherwise you will never survive the disappointments that come along with the job. Nurses are easy targets and we are responsible for coordinating our patients care with many different specialities while doing our job with no room for mistakes. We also have a responsibility to include families in the patients care and education.

    NURSING is more than a job. Nursing is a calling. The best nurses can't think of anything they would rather do, and would do it for even less money. I'm not saying this as an idealistic nursing student, I am speaking as someone who has over 20 years of experience and have dealt with the highs and lows of nursing.

    My mom told me to do what I love, and I love nursing!
  67. <<NURSING is more than a job. Nursing is a calling. The best nurses can't think of anything they would rather do, and would do it for even less money. I'm not saying this as an idealistic nursing student, I am speaking as someone who has over 20 years of experience and have dealt with the highs and lows of nursing.

    My mom told me to do what I love, and I love nursing!>>

    That is very nice that you are getting out of floor nursing and all. But floor nursing (where the majority of nurses actually work) is not exactly a 'calling' in these times. It is more akin to working in a factory assembly line. It is more akin to being on a meat cutting line, except that payment rendered is being processed instead of dead meat.

    Don't get me wrong though. The meat is actually there, but is human flesh, and not cow, chicken or pig. And by the way, the 'best nurses' are able to look at the facts through clear eyes, and not just through rose tinted lense implants. The "We Care" slogan is obsolete, since the whole health care INDUSTRY is run by we-care-about-the-profits-we-earn-our-shareholders people. Evidently Mom never told you about this stuff, and you have apparently failed to catch on.

    The Drug Pusher

    PS- I sign my alias this way, because it's time we begin to get real. Yes it is.....
  68. that's right gojack.
  69. You make sound like you were being tortured in Abu Gharab prison in Iraq!! Come on!!! Be a little grateful you are not in some foreign prision getting tortured. Nursing isn't that bad !!
  70. you're right in that it's not a prison camp on foreign soil. it's more insidious than that. the mental and physical torture of a type is going on right here in the USA. at least if you are being held as a POW noone expects you to say what a wonderful and fulfilling experience it is. and noone expects you to say how grateful you are for all the physical and mental anguish and all of the loss of a normal life it has caused you. and noone expects you to say the coworkers and patients that suffer at the hands of the money hungry corporations is not happening. i think nursing is just one big form of legal slavery. you do what you are told or you pay dearly. we are the ones doing all the dirty work. we are the ones where all the blame is laid if anybody makes a mistake. we're the ones working our asses off while management kicks back and cracks the old whip laughing all the while cause they are getting the big bucks at ours and the patients expense.
  71. I am doing a report for school on RNs. I was just wondering if any of you guys could Email me stuff about being a Nurse! My mom is a nurse she delivers babys but you have to get the Info form an non family member so any help would be cool thank alot!!!!

    AIM is Timbervixen
  72. Here's a clue for you. The elderly don't have much respect either.


    Quote:
    Originally posted by Unregistered
    I am also a first semester Nursing student with a previous Bachelors degree in Education. I consider it an honor to be selected for Nursing School, as I beat out hundreds of applicants. Nursing sure beats teaching. Kids have no respect for anyone these days.

  73. i also scored higher than anyone else on the tests. that was the last time i can remember feeling like i wasnt the dumbest lifeform on the planet. and you think you are going to escape those brats you teach by getting into nursing? HAH!!!! just wait until the first time you see some ignorant fools letting their baby crawl around and lay on the hospital floor of an mrsa/vre/aids/c-diff patient. dropping their ba ba's and binky's and putting them right back in their little mouths with family members right their watching. dont try to get involved or they will put you in your place real quick. or when grandpas wheelchair comes barrelling down the hallway at top speed with cath and 02 tubing dragging between the wheels with some kid riding on the back of it like it's a scooter. it is not an escape from kids. believe it. and old people can be really mean and rotten and/or dangerous depending on their personality and what ails them. you will get no respect from anyone ever. and you are probably used to having weekends, holidays, summers, etc. off?and used to getting regularly scheduled breaks? well you can forget about any of those nice things. they are gone once you are a nurse. you get some part of vacation and pto days when they say you can. so, i guess you desreve a welcome to the world of slavery.
  74. Come on people what did you expect when you became a nurse? A cush 9-5 job in a Ritz Carlton type of institution. Did you think that the hospital would just send patients home if a nurse didn't show up for work. Oh hey, it's Saturday, let's close the hospital for the weekend.

    Yes, there are sick people in a hosptial who don't want to be there and will probably be in a bad mood. I suppose you are just sweet as apple pie when you're sick. Yes, there are doctors with "god complexes". There are also non medical professionals who think the world revolves around them. Yes, you're going to wipe asses because, guess what, sick people need to take a shit too.

    I know this job isn't easy. It's hard as hell. But I also know what's it's like to work in corporate America and it's just as hellish but in a different way. You sit in a cubicle and rot there until you retire with a fake gold watch and a crappy sheet cake. You look back on your life and say what did I do that made any kind of difference. It's only the CEO's who bankrupt there companies and leave with a 2 million dollar severence who can say they have the perfect job.

    The rest of us have to find something that makes us whole. The nurses on this site who are complaining have every right to do so because you picked the wrong job. Go out there and find the right one because you're giving the rest of us a headache. I also know that negative nurses usually can't get the other aspects of their life in order so they blame nursing. Quit your bitching and move on.
  75. if you like nursing so much then what are you doing in this forum and how did you get here? people like you only succeed in leaving me with the impression that you are one of the asses that loves stirring up trouble and discontent and in general just trying your damndest to grab every opportunity to make other peoples lives miserable. i think you do it at work and thats not even enough. you have to seek out the chance anywhere you can-- thats my impression of you. misery loves company.
  76. Misery loves company is correct, but I'm not the bitching about my job.
  77. I agree with tranquil.....you are pretty miserable! You think other nurses are unhappy and are blaming it on the profession, you're just unhappy and blaming it on other nurses...I fail to see your point. If 90% of the nurse I know seem to be unhappy with nursing, did they really all pick the wrong career or is it the profession that's the problem.
  78. thats' exactly what it is. it's the profession. i know some very good nurses that are nice people from over the years and they are all tortured souls from what nursing has done to them. and either they cant get out yet because they are sole supporter of their family or they are frozen with fear. nursing does over time, instill and perfuse you with fear that you cant make it anywhere else. its like an abusive relationship. it belittles and puts you down for so long that you really get mindbent that its the only thing you can do and you cant even do that right. it tears you apart and beats you down.
  79. to "what did you expect" ------------one thing i didnt expect is that nursing, of all things would put me in business with retards like you. and for your information i quit nursing. and yes, i am happy. i now have a normal life that i am quite happily adjusting to without any problems. i work with normal people that would get thrown in jail if they ever did what i,ve had done to me by patients, their families, or coworkers before. i dont have to eat shit anymore. i have freedom-- and yes----- you can believe i feel light and free and happy as can be. I DONT HAVE TO WORK WITH FOOLS LIKE YOU ANYMORE!!!!! there were others before me that escaped and there will be others after me that find a way to be free of it. i just hope that you get stuck working with only people just like you as soon as possible. and you want to make like i'm the bitch. YOU are a bitch. coming in here trying to stifle peoples freedom to vent and make them feel low for it. why dont you get out of here and go find some like yourself and leave these people alone. and i'm the same way in person--believe it. i learned early on to face up to problems that come along. like bullies. i've worked with people like you before and they bothered me once then left me alone because i wont stand there and take it. you see as you know, bullies are really only cowards. so put that in you pipe and smoke it.
  80. OK guys, I hear you and you have made a valid point. I admit reading all of these entires got me angry because I do get protective of nursing. I did not mean to offend anyone. But we do have freedom of speech and you have the right to vent out your frustrations and so do I. Tranquil.. I'm happy that you're happy. You have learned to stand up for your beliefs and so have I. Just as you got fed up with the inadequacies of nursing, I got tired of hearing negative comments about the job I love.

    I know nursing isn't perfect, but the fact is we do a better job taking each other down than pulling together and using the power we have as nurses to fix the issues mentioned in this site. I let my frustrations with some of the comments made here get the better of me and I became that which I dislike. It sure was easy.

    I hope that those nurse who leave nursing find happiness. But I truley wish that we all would stick with nursing and try to change it rather than leave it. It can be changed. History shows us this. Look at what unions did for workers at the turn of the century. It won't be easy to make changes, but it can be done. It can become the career you thought it would be. I do love nursing even with it's problems and that's why I'm committed to changing it.

    With my appologies to those I offended.
    Good luck wherever you find yourself. And to the nurse who is about to become a doctor, I really hope your joking about sticking it to nurses the way doctors did to you. Don't become a devil in white.
  81. I've been in the nursing field for 12 years this month. So much has changed just since I've been a nurse and not for the better, I'm sorry to say. I used to be so proud to be a nurse. It was such a proud accomplishment in my life. It was a respectable field and I did feel that I was appreciated and made a difference in people's lives. But that has all changed. New laws and regulations have taken so much out of nurse's hands and into the hands of people who really have no real contact with patients. Nursing has become such a customer-service and PR oriented field in a way that it wasn't before. You spend more time putting out fires and trying to appease some asshole than being able to care for your patients. And then there's the almighty dollar. I often feel like I'm working at Burger King; "Have it your way". Truthfully it's not about patient care it's about making money and getting by with minmal to inadequate staff and inadequate supplies. It's about big bonuses for administrators at the end of the year. This field has a very high burnout rate and if you actually do bedside nursing you know why.

    Nurses need to have a place where they can vent their frustrations without being treated like evil monsters for doing so. There is a real stigma attached to nursing. In the eye of the public nursing is seen as some kind of "Martyr" profession in which the most negative stereotypes of womanhood (since nursing IS seen as a woman's profession) are attached. Nurses are expected to be these selfless, kind and self-sacrificing saints who toil tirelessly day and night to care for the sick and infirm who look at them like angels of light and thank them with their last dying breath. It's a fantasy image that is far from reality. People go into this profession with all these illusions but you get a real good reality check as soon as you hit the floor. We do this because we love it and we do do because we have to eat and pay the bills but we are not saints we are humans with human faults and emotions both good and bad. People need to recognize that fact and we, as nurse, need to recognize it too and stop being so hard on ourselves. We are not whiners or evil-doers for expecting a higher standard for nursing. We need to respect ourselves and learn to respect each other. Unfortunately this will never happen. Our field has become abusive. So many of us feel like battered spouses..afraid to leave and blaming ourselves for all that is wrong and telling ourselves the old mantra of denial; "Oh it's bad everywhere". Sound familiar? It's heard among nurses everywhere every day. What other profession do you know of where you are chastized like some kind of devil if you say you hate your job or wish you had chosen another career? It's like a sacrilige..a blasphemy to say; "I HATE NURSING!". Don't you see something slightly WRONG with that? Do computer programmers get treated like the devils own if they say ; "I HATE COMPUTER PROGRAMMING!". I think not. This is one reason why I think the field of nursing is going down fast, the shortage only gets worse and more good nurses are leaving..the REAL PROBLEMS in the nursing field are being swept under the rug and the cries of nurses are being ignored because nobody wants to face the truth. Nursing is the "Higher calling" and to think anything different is just plain wrong. Anyone who has a problem is the problem themselves, not the institution of nursing that has turned into a rotting, miserable dinosaur carcass that nobody knows what to do with. So nothing changes.

    Nurses are not supposed to complain even when they are worked to the bone and have not had a break, even to pee for twelve hours have been spit at, slapped, bitten, cursed at and sexually abused..and this is just the family members and visitors, we haven't even gotten into the patients and all their myriad of horrors not to mention doctors, crazy co-workers, ect. Nursing is not pretty. Nursing is nerve-wracking, emotionally draining and physically taxing. But caring for ungrateful and abusive assholes and taking shit from psycho family members and total strangers who think you are their personal handmaiden/manservant is something we are expected to do with humility and gratitude to be in "The calling" of nursing. It's right up there with being called to the priesthood or a nunnery. What a crock of shite. It's easy to sit up on a high horse about nursing until you get in the thick of it how it is today. In my humble opinion nursing (and healthcare in general) is sliding back into the dark ages. Soon it is going to be like it was at the beginning of nursing..only prostitutes, criminals and street urchins will be caring for patients. It's getting to be that way already and it scares me. Nobody in their right mind would want to do this anymore. It's just not worth it. All the truly GOOD nurses who care about their patients and what they do..it is unbearable to keep going like this. Our hands are tied behind our backs. We either burn-out or get out. All the good nurses are getting out for the sake of their health and sanity. You have absolutely NO SUPPORT whatsoever. That is so much of the problem. No one has your back and it is very discouraging to say the least. There is such a shortage of nurses and we all know why. You have people's lives at stake and the postions you are put in with staffing issues and the whole situation..it's just too dangerous and you are way too liable. God knows it's not because we don't care it's because we DO care and it kills us to know that we cannot properly do our job, that we cannot BE THERE for our patients who really need us because we are off hunting for some supply we don't have or dealing with some irate visitor/family member or we are just too overwhelmed and over-worked to do everything we need to do. It's soul-crushing sometimes. This is why we burn-out because we cannot live up to the standard that we set for ourselves because it is just not possible with all we are faced with and what we have to work with in any given situation. Who do we talk to? Where do we turn? I was shocked at how many nurses are on anti-depressants and hooked on narcotics or become alcoholics. I had no idea. But I understand now. The level of mental and emotional and physical stress is extremely high in this profession and the support and team work needed in order to keep people going is just not there. It's a hostile environment these days. I no longer enjoy what I do. Honestly I loathe my job. I enjoy my patients (even the assholes I can deal with) but it's all the outside stuff they just keep heaping on you until your back breaks that just makes it all so hard to cope with these days. I am thinking of a different line of work. I don't think it's worth it to give myself a mental or physical stress-related breakdown over. There has got to be a better way. I would advise anyone not to go into this field, at least not until some MAJOR changes have been made to create better and safer working conditions for nurses and a more supportive environment. Only when this happens will the shortage end. Nursing is just not what it used to be.
  82. you are 100% right on and telling the truth. the whole thing is horrible. nurses get treated horribly. prison inmates get much, much better working conditions and fairer treatment than nurses. prison inmates also get special things for doing good work and for any semblance to honesty and loyalty they show. they get free medical treatment and just other things that are mandated for them to have as part of the course of decent treatment as human beings. there are no laws, no groups, no politicians, no concerned public when it comes to nurses. all through my nursing years -- when i dared loudmouthing about working most all holidays-- and doubles at that because people called in, mandated every 2 or 3 days --every 7 days at best, taking crap and every kind of abuse from everybody. i bitched about it. people would then say to me as they looked so shocked " you are supposed to do that. its your job. thats what nurses are for!" so it is quite obvious how people think of nurses. i hated hearing " thats what nurses are for". patients, family members, administration, doctors, everybody, just everybody --"THATS WHAT NURSES ARE FOR!" people honestly dont give a crap-- nobody does. its like nurses are to be used like toilet paper. i cant make myself go back to nursing. not even for the money. the very thought of it sickens me and i get that old familiar feeling right in my gut as soon as the mere thought of it comes to me. i'm glad to be out . remember this all of you who are still stuck-- there are ways out and sooner or later you will find your way. and remember there are some of us out here that truly do give you support right straight from our heart and we really do understand and literally have felt your pain. if that bit of information is about useless to actually help you-- at least you can hopefully gain some sense of validation for your feelings from it. i have been out of it for a month and a half and i will always defend you to all who dare speak ill of nurses to me. and i'm sure there are others doing the same thing. we are telling people the truth out here. and we can be more outspoken from here because nobody can threaten our licenses that we no longer depend on for survival. remember where there is a will there is a way. you have a will of iron and very honed survival skills if you have survived in nursing. dont let it hold you back.
  83. I was an RN in the late 70's and have been off work to raise my kids the last 23 years. I was considering going back to floor nursing, but I may have to consider a new field. Times sure have changed. The 6 years I worked were wonderful. I loved everything about my Med-Surg unit. I did work the midnight shift, so I had a lot of time with my patients and less time dealing with labs, doctors, etc. I hope all of you that are unhappy will make an effort to change the system. It has to happen from the nurses. I wish all of you the best of luck.
  84. Quote:
    Originally posted by Unregistered
    What the hell does your coworkers obesity and/or gender status have to do with your dissatisfaction? Ignorance is bliss...you blindly blame them as your patient's families blindly blamed you.
    Yeah, what does someone's weight have to do with it, or gender? Sounds like he chose this field for the wrong reasons. I am not hearing any compassion whatsoever!
  85. It is refreshing to see so many people expressing the same feelings I have about the nursing profession. I have been a nurse for 9 years, the first 6 of which I was a staff nurse on med-surg, and the last three in critical care. My situation is that I've painted myself into a corner. In order to receive close to the pay I feel I deserve, I had to take float positions at a higher pay rate. Hence, I never know which critical care unit I am going to be working on each night. I work for a large hospital, and there are nine ICU's total. By nature, I am very easily stressed, but don't show my stress or anxiety because I internalize it. Floating floor to floor, dealing with different staff, different personalities, different protocols (every floor is different), etc. is very stressing to me, particularly in the critical care setting. However, to take a regular, fixed position on one floor would result in a $12/hour pay cut. The life me and my family have created for ourselves will not allow me to take such a pay cut. I would LOVE to get out of nursing all together, but like I said, I have painted myself into a corner by coming to rely on the higher pay rate of a float nurse. I'll be the first to admit that I probably do not have the personality to be a nurse (anxious and easily stressed). But my mistake has been made. This is the profession I chose, and to go back to school for an entirely new profession will be difficult while still trying to maintain an income. I have always receivied accolades for the nursing care I provide, and get excellent annual evaluations which I feel I deserve, because I DO give my patients the best care I can. However, I am the one that is mentally and physically breaking down. I am sacrificing my physical self because I refuse to give poor care to my patients. I just don't know how much longer I can tolerate the situation I am in.
  86. Yow. So I'm sitting here thinking I want to go into nursing and I gotta say. You guys ain't painting a pretty picture. Does anyone enjoy this profession? anyone at all?
  87. nope. nobody i've ever met.
  88. Ah. What a shame. I've been reading through this site. Y'all wear me out.
  89. ive been hearing so much negitive stuff about nursing. I am a new nursing student prusing my BSN. Im really scared that I will eventually have this sort of opinion. HELP! I do believe that I can be truely happy as an RN and not have it largely affect my love/social life. Is this just an ammiture opinion?
  90. oh and also....I wonder how many potentially great nurses the profession misses out on because of being exposed to these kinds of comments. Every job is stressful. I am a Dental Assistant for our city hospital right now and believe me, I catch the wrath from the Dentists and the administration. I believe it's all in how you handle it and view the situation.
    Dealing with stress: Some people I guess are capable of it, and well, others arent.
  91. I don't really see how you can compare being a dental assistant with being a Registered Nurse!
  92. I had said that every job is stressful and i was only simply stating my job stressors. I can't compare being a registered nurse to anything, I am only a student. As far as the doctors with "god complexes" yeah, the dentists can be aweful rude to you right in front of a client whos awake whaile your inside their mouth. There have been a couple times where I have been treated so rudely that I couldent help but start to cry and had to get another assistant to take over so I could just go let it all out in the lab. It IS tough....and I pull together fast, get back to work and at the end of the day I try to think of the good things. Thats all im sayin.....its how you handle it whatever your stressors may be...no matter what the job.
  93. I am an RN and I love it. I got into a speciality I enjoy--psych--and I make a difference in people's lives. I don't have to worry when I go home at night if I made a difference in another human being's life--I did, and they tell me so. Jesus. You people make me shudder, man. And I certainly beleive most of you should leave the profession. I work with nurses that love the profession and want to advance it. Yes, these nurses exisit, plenty of them.

    sean, RN
  94. I can tell that this person is lying. Nurses have not been required to wear white hats or white uniforms for the last 40 years. Good luck in beauty school. We need derilicts of society
  95. try med/surg and see how much you like it...psych nursing is a whole different field and it's not really fair or you to compare the two...we get patients all the time who came from psych and are "too sick" to be taken care of on psych unit, or we can't get them from the hospital to psych because they are uncontrollable and they "refuse" to admit them to psych. Nursing homes won't take patients unless they've been off all chemical and physical restrains for 24 hrs...so we get to try and control them out at the nurses station. So we get to handle all the psych issues plus the medical issues plus deal with the families...it's not easy!
  96. --oops!! anyway, as I was saying...if you want to be treated as a professional by your peers and superiors, you need to act like a professional first.
  97. Quote:
    Originally posted by Unregistered
    I can tell that this person is lying. Nurses have not been required to wear white hats or white uniforms for the last 40 years. Good luck in beauty school. We need derilicts of society


    Uhhh..WRONG. In my workplace nurses are required to wear WHITE UNIFORMS. I couldn't believe it myself when they came out with that memo but it's true. If we even wear a green jacket because our white one gets blood or crap or whatever on it we get written up. We have so many REAL problems to address and they want to write us up if we don't wear ALL WHITE?! That's how fucking stupid the field of nursing is, the focus is on all the wrong things...like what color uniform you wear?! WTF?? We have to work with suction machines on the that won't do anything but make a weak croak when you turn them on but nobody cares about that..just THAT WE WEAR ALL WHITE! but this is just what I'm talking about. I haven't had to wear all white since I was in nursing school but that just changed about a year ago. NURSING IS A STUPID FUCKED UP FIELD AND SUCKS ASS!
  98. beauty school? i wouldn't be surprised if you worked Per Diem as a nurse just to keep up with your lifestyle. good luck in beauty school. just get used to the fact that you're gonna be B-R-O-K-E.
  99. Quote:
    Originally posted by Unregistered
    I am also a first semester Nursing student with a previous Bachelors degree in Education. I consider it an honor to be selected for Nursing School, as I beat out hundreds of applicants. Nursing sure beats teaching. Kids have no respect for anyone these days.
    I feel sorry for u if that's what u think...good luck!!
  100. Quote:
    Originally posted by Unregistered
    You gripe and moan about all the negative issues in nursing, are you on any committee to improve the conditions at your facility? Are you always that negative about your job? Besides gripping, what else are you doing to make things right?

    I am a bedside nurse, 12 years now. I drudge around in a busy ER some nights where everyone is mad because they have to wait hours on end. Some nights, I work in the CCU/ICU, where I might have 2 or 3 critical pts. There have been nights when all were vented and on more drips than you can imagine. Certain days, I work with 8 or 9 med/surg pts who have been there so long, they know every nurse by name and family. I have been screamed at by doctors, had charts thrown at me, been physically abused by alcoholics who are brought to us detoxing.

    I have been spat at, called everything under the sun and rarely take a lunch break. I have developed 5 kidney stones over the years from not caring for myself while I drudged on for 13-16 hours a shift without going to the bathroom. I bring in a cup of coffee at the beginning of a shift and pour it out as I am ready to go home.

    How could anyone every enjoy nursing?Why do I do it, you ask?
    --- God encouraged me to join this profession for others-NOT ME.
    ---All the problems from a whole shift are erased with a single THANK YOU.
    ---Holding the hand of a pt while she is dying without her family there to tell her they love her.
    ---To help a tech whose back is killing her because the nurse "had to have a break before I could help you." Afterall, that was the 10th bath she had given for the night and the physical stress caused her three miscarriages already.
    ---Telling a pt it is ok to die, to simply give them permission to quit the long, hard, perilous battle they faced from cancer, aids or even abuse AND SEE A LOOK OF PEACE BEFORE THEY DRAW THEIR LAST BREATH.
    ---To see a new nurse come into the profession who joined nursing for the patients NOT FOR THE MONEY.
    ---To see a new nurse grasp a concept that was foreign to her, or did not make any sense in the textbook she learned it from.
    ---To have a rape victim cry on my shoulder because no one understood. To tell her that she will make it through, even though all seems lost.
    ---To have the same doctor who threw a chart at me, need me to help him one day. To be a professional and help him, later to hear him apologize, and say thank you. ONLY TO learn that he went off on you because he just lost a pt that was like family to him. To find out he just took that case so personally, he felt he failed that same pt and his family.
    ---To stand up for others who cannot do it for themselves!!
    ---To see that detoxing pt leave the hospital ENCOURAGED TO LIVE LIFE FREE FROM ALCOHOL. For her to tell me, a drunk driver hit her and killed her family-this is why she took it up in the first place.
    ---To empty the trash for a housekeeper who is moving too slow in your eyes, only to find out that her son died that day but she could not afford to take the day off. Afterall, she had 2 other children to support (2 she adopted since there mother and father were killed) and her elderly mother who was kicked out of the nursing home because she owned her own property--you know the one that has a roof caving in and no heat in the winter. Medicaid denied her because the property was 100 dollars more than they allowed.
    ---To see a 21 year old gang member take 14 gun shot wounds (11 to the trunk, 2 on the arm and one on his wedding finger) and decide that this is his opportunity to be the father he wasn't to his 2 children. He left the gang, found God, and lives a productive life--from a wheelchair, with a colostomy, and with a hope he never had.
    --To see the smile of a unit clerk when one nurse out of 24 is willing to take off a few lousy orders rather than throw it at her to do.


    THAT IS WHAT NURSING IS ALL ABOUT!!! THE HOURS ARE LONG, THE PAY COULD BE BETTER, WE COULD ALWAYS USE MORE STAFF--IT'S NOT A PAT-ME-ON-THE-BACK PROFESSION. IT IS HOWEVER A SELF GRATIFYING, RANDOM ACTS OF KINDNESS PROFESSION. IF FAME AND GLORY ARE WHAT YOU SEEK, NO ITS NOT FOR YOU!!!

    I had rather work short with caring nurses than to be overstaffed with people complaining and moaning about a profession they entered because "the pay is good, it's much better than flipping burgers or cleaning toilets."

    Good luck with your next career...I hope you find the peace and joy I have found in wiping hineys, emptying trash, caring for patients, not pottying, being screamed at, being abused and paid less than most veteran textile workers.
    Sorry we are not all so sadistic as you and don't enjoy being abused for a living!! What a martyr!!
  101. Quote:
    Originally posted by Unregistered
    YOU PEOPLE HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME....

    I am so sick of people in society who have to whine and complain and bitch about where they work. I see it everywhere.
    I am a nursing student and DO NOT regret it.
    I have pet peeve against really opinionated people who feel they have to pull everyone else around them down. Misery loves company I guess.

    bit of info (at least where I'm from)- most staff RN's make approx. $40-45K a year. Personally..that is not bad at all...especially for a bachelor's degree. How is that low pay? Be a traveling RN- they pay your housing, a bonus, competitive salary, and the ability to travel.

    people are so greedy...rude...and love money so much. if you are so sick of the job then LEAVE..but don't wine and boohoo at everyone else....which let me you in on a little secret:
    By doing this YOU ARE making the nursing situation worse by scaring others away. I hope you don't have to be the one on a severely understaffed floor even worse than today's standard as a patient.

    where I live at least...and it is close to downtown...is not too bad. I volunteered a long time on several floors, and yes it is very busy..and you have deal with some stuff---but this crazy verbal/physical abuse, "third world" conditions..etc. is ABSURD. Most patients are great...maybe that's just because of my location in the US I dunno.

    RIDICULOUS. Please don't give me the whole "I've lived through this 20 years....etc.."
    Please honey, you'll get yours when you actually become a nurse and know what it is really like, I didn't regret nursing in nursing school either...but being in nursing school is not even close to what it is like to actually be a nurse!! If you think you won't experience verbal/physical abuse...I don't know any nurses who haven't...the truth hurts!! It's a good thing there are starry-eyed nursing students like you who shit on all the nurses for telling the truth because if you really knew what it is like you would run like the wind!! If you really listened it is not the $$$ we are complaining about.
  102. Quote:
    Originally posted by Unregistered
    Nursing is definitely not for everyone. What job is perfect? Unfortunately, none. I would much rather have a job as a nurse and have a secure, well-paying future for myself and my family. Who wants to be stuck in a factory making 7 or 8 dollars an hour. Those of you who whine about it, you should be thankful that you are able to make a good living for you and your family. There are plenty people out there who haven't the means to go to school and earn a degree in nursing at all. You need to go work in a factory for a month or two and you'd be begging for a nursing opportunity. Also, about another comment made, male nurses are 75% of the time, the laziest kind to work with. So far, every single one of them I've worked with are smooth, talking and end up with everyone else doing their crap for them. What a joke! Believe me, they do their share of complaining, too. I wouldn't say I love my job every single day, but occassionally, I have a very kind, appreciative patient that makes the bad days worth it. Quit complaining everyone. Life is too short. Count your blessings!
    I wish I would have been one of those unfortunate people who didn't have the means to go to nursing school, than I wouldn't be a nurse!! Life is too short to be a nurse that's for sure!!
  103. Quote:
    Originally posted by Unregistered
    I am currently in my last semester of nursing school and have been working in the hospitals for 5 years as an CNA. All of you people trying to scare everyone away from the profession are making me sick. Instead of spreading your misery around this thread, the hospital, the pts, your home life, etc. QUIT!!!!!! Not that hard. Stop bitching about it and LEAVE!!! Why stay in a job you hate so much. Give me a break. It is what you make it, if the conditions are unsafe at your hospital use the Safe Harbor Act, report the conditions and CHANGE THINGS!!! I have had issues at the hospital I work at and with some effort have managed to change things for the better. You can do the same or quit and find a place that fits you. There are soooo many options out there that you don't need to be miserable doing your job.
    Call me when you are an RN for about 2 years......we do quit...that's why there is a nursing shortage...nurses have the right to tell the truth about how it really is...sorry if you can't handle it!!
  104. Quote:
    Originally posted by mrsmindbender
    i have worked in the psychiatric nursing profession for four years now. yes, nursing is a thankless profession. i am not a nurse, but have i see what they go through every day. i clean up after and take care of incontinent, confused, and beligerent patients. the families are mostly ungreatful and disapproving. the doctors believe the sun shines out of their you know what. the fellow nurses and techs can be whiney, pissy, and backstabbing.

    however, your personal attitude towards your job and your coworkers makes all the difference in the world. also, if your coworkers care about their job, it makes a difference, too. i worked in a horrible hospital where gossip was all that happened and patient care suffered greatly. people were afraid of losing thier jobs just based on the gossip that would float around. i now work in a geriatric psychiatric unit at a big hospital.

    the nurses roll with the punches. the job is stressful, but the pay off is big if you are right for the job. kindness and caring can make all the difference for a difficult patient. there is nothing more rewarding than having a patient tell you 'thank you' or seeing that you brightened their day.

    treat the patient how you would want to be treated yourself. ask them how their day went. take time to let them know you care. and above all practice the art of diplomacy. even the most crazy, obnoxious SOB of a patient can be tamed.

    i know their are nurses reading this who think i am nuts. but it works. nursing is a high stress, thankless profession. but, there are those of us who take pride in the fact that we made a difference in someone.

    being selfless and caring is not meant for everyone.
    You can speak your mind about the matter when you become a nurse...until then you have no idea what you are talking about...even if you do watch nurses work...being selfless is the reason that most nurses burn out, so don't speak about what you don't know!!
  105. Quote:
    Originally posted by Unregistered
    Come on people what did you expect when you became a nurse? A cush 9-5 job in a Ritz Carlton type of institution. Did you think that the hospital would just send patients home if a nurse didn't show up for work. Oh hey, it's Saturday, let's close the hospital for the weekend.

    Yes, there are sick people in a hosptial who don't want to be there and will probably be in a bad mood. I suppose you are just sweet as apple pie when you're sick. Yes, there are doctors with "god complexes". There are also non medical professionals who think the world revolves around them. Yes, you're going to wipe asses because, guess what, sick people need to take a shit too.

    I know this job isn't easy. It's hard as hell. But I also know what's it's like to work in corporate America and it's just as hellish but in a different way. You sit in a cubicle and rot there until you retire with a fake gold watch and a crappy sheet cake. You look back on your life and say what did I do that made any kind of difference. It's only the CEO's who bankrupt there companies and leave with a 2 million dollar severence who can say they have the perfect job.

    The rest of us have to find something that makes us whole. The nurses on this site who are complaining have every right to do so because you picked the wrong job. Go out there and find the right one because you're giving the rest of us a headache. I also know that negative nurses usually can't get the other aspects of their life in order so they blame nursing. Quit your bitching and move on.
    Anyone who picks nursing has 'picked the wrong job'...I can't tell you how many kind, compassionate, got it together nurses have had the life sucked out of them by nursing. Maybe if you are sadistic and love to be abused daily you might enjoy being a nurse...comparing the corporate world to nursing is laughable...what a joke!!!
  106. Quote:
    Originally posted by jspfunk
    oh and also....I wonder how many potentially great nurses the profession misses out on because of being exposed to these kinds of comments. Every job is stressful. I am a Dental Assistant for our city hospital right now and believe me, I catch the wrath from the Dentists and the administration. I believe it's all in how you handle it and view the situation.
    Dealing with stress: Some people I guess are capable of it, and well, others arent.
    Once again nothing like nursing...I have always been good at dealing with stress...but nursing has sucked the life out of me!! Being a dental assistant doesn't even come close type of stress you endure as a nurse...trust me or find out for yourself!!
  107. Nursing students have no right to tell us to quit "whining". They don't have a clue! I was a nursing student 1 1/2 yrs ago and boy was I in for a surprise. It is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING like nursing school!!!!!!!!! Clinicals were a joke. If they made clinicals like the real world all the students would drop out. I used to be such a positive, happy person. But ever since I became a nurse I have been depressed. I have tried a few different jobs but I still hate it. And I get more depressed because I moved to a new state and bought a bigger house on my nursing salary...now what other kind of job could I get that will pay those bills???? My husband is working 2 jobs. I hate even applying to nursing jobs because I know I don't really want them. I was so proud when I got my RN license but now I wish I never had. I have no other skills.....I was a stay home mom before nursing school. I just keep praying that my husband will save me from this by getting a better job himself so I can get a job in anything other than nursing! By the way, right now I am working part-time....I don't think I could stand full time!
  108. Have any of you who are so dissatisfied with nursing ever considered becoming an Army Nurse? Nursing is nursing, yes, but our patient population is unique and the best in the world - and so are our colleagues. And, we are afforded unique opportunities to try other non-clinical jobs as well. This, I think, helps to prevent a lot of the bitterness many of you express. Plus, once you are in long enough, the financial compensation far outweighs that of almost all other health care organizations. Yes, we have many of the same frustrations that civilian nurses experience, but our rank structure and work environment (no matter where in the world that may be) make the difference. No, I am not a recruiter, although I was assigned as one for two years (recruiting nurses and physicians). I am a critical care nurse who happens to also be an Army Nurse.
  109. I was thinking of going into the field. Can anyone tell me if the profession better for nurse practitioner's or in clinics instead of hospitals?
  110. If you people think your treated badly as nurses, you should try being a police officer.. LOL..The stuff you are complaining about is almost comical to me.. LOL.. I promise you, your "worst" day is a pretty good day for me..
  111. Just needed some advice on a few things...So I thought I could ask here...I'm a little confused in whether I should pursue this career...I'm in the California area and I recently graduated and I'm looking into working in the medical field. I'm looking into colleges to see what nursing programs are best for me....or which is best...I'm looking into becoming a traveling (RN)...and all I'm hearing from people is that salaries are not worth it... and people complaining on how bad it is....and its not worth going to school that long...but I would'nt know so I thought anyone who has had experience as a nurse could give me a reason why or why not I should pursue this career... before I make my choice...Any advice would be greatly appreciated.....
  112. I hear all of your complaints and can understand your outlook after months and years of terrible experiences. Maybe you need to come to Mayo Clinic...Starting pay around 25.00 per hour straight out of school. Each year there are 1 (or 2) COL increases that go along with pay raises that equal about 4% of current pay. Day shifts for floor nurses equal 3 patients and rarely four. Night shifts usually about 5 pts. Each unit typically has about 4-5 PCAs (depending on census). We rarely do our own bed baths. More importantly, Mayo's policy and culture encourage amiable, professional relationships between all members of the staff, from physician down to housekeeping. Physicians actually are reprimanded for inappropriate behavior (yelling, etc) towards nursing staff. I'm not saying that everything is perfect here but nursing isn't so much about the profession as it is about the institution for which you work.
  113. Quote:
    Originally posted by Need A Response
    Just needed some advice on a few things...So I thought I could ask here...I'm a little confused in whether I should pursue this career...I'm in the California area and I recently graduated and I'm looking into working in the medical field. I'm looking into colleges to see what nursing programs are best for me....or which is best...I'm looking into becoming a traveling (RN)...and all I'm hearing from people is that salaries are not worth it... and people complaining on how bad it is....and its not worth going to school that long...but I would'nt know so I thought anyone who has had experience as a nurse could give me a reason why or why not I should pursue this career... before I make my choice...Any advice would be greatly appreciated.....
    Only you can decide whether you want to go into it or not, but what I'd probably say is make sure you have a realistic idea of what nursing is like first - maybe work as an auxiliary / health care assistant (not sure what they're called in the U.S.!) first and see how you feel afterwards.

    It has it's good points, but the negative aspects often outweigh them I'm afraid - for every nice, kind patient you have, you'll have a dozen more who'll happily kick, punch, s**t or spit on you without a second thought, and then their relatives will blame you for it. The same goes with the staff unfortunately; you'll get the occasional RGN who's willing to take you under their wing, introduce you to the job and help you develop your own skills, but the majority will just stand by and watch you sink or swim.

    If I had my time over, I wouldn't do it - and I wouldn't recommend it to anyone I cared about, certainly not the way the 'profession' seems to be heading at the moment - but it's something you'll never really know until you try. It's upto you to decide whether it's worth the risk and the studying. Good luck whatever you decide
  114. well....

    NURSING KILLS! its like burning yourself in hell...my god!
  115. i too have been a nurse for 20 yrs (biggest mistake of my life) i have also entered college to go into a whole other field. the saying that nurse eat their young is ever so true. i worked at the VA in seattle and was treated horrible by a supervisor and was harassed daily. i have worked with many backstabbing workers. how a field of caring can attract so many people is beyond me. im getting out. i find that working as a barista would be less degrading and stressful. for all you new nurses just enterng the field i feel for you. and to all of those who have been there like me and are moving on to something better good luck to ya you deserve it becasue after working in such a horrible field something good has to come of it.
  116. am currently in my last semester of nursing school and have been working in the hospitals for 5 years as an CNA. All of you people trying to scare everyone away from the profession are making me sick. Instead of spreading your misery around this thread, the hospital, the pts, your home life, etc. QUIT!!!!!! Not that hard. Stop bitching about it and LEAVE!!! Why stay in a job you hate so much. Give me a break. It is what you make it, if the conditions are unsafe at your hospital use the Safe Harbor Act, report the conditions and CHANGE THINGS!!! I have had issues at the hospital I work at and with some effort have managed to change things for the better. You can do the same or quit and find a place that fits you. There are soooo many options out there that you don't need to be miserable doing your job.


    oh how naive you are. this would be a typical respone from a CNA that doesnt have the responsibility of a liscensed nurse. i was once a CNAA too where my biggest worry was dumping a bed pan. go back to school, get liscensed, have real responsibility, and then come back to this forum with an opinion as a true professional.
  117. Quote:
    Originally posted by tired_nurse
    am currently in my last semester of nursing school and have been working in the hospitals for 5 years as an CNA. All of you people trying to scare everyone away from the profession are making me sick. Instead of spreading your misery around this thread, the hospital, the pts, your home life, etc. QUIT!!!!!! Not that hard. Stop bitching about it and LEAVE!!! Why stay in a job you hate so much. Give me a break. It is what you make it, if the conditions are unsafe at your hospital use the Safe Harbor Act, report the conditions and CHANGE THINGS!!! I have had issues at the hospital I work at and with some effort have managed to change things for the better. You can do the same or quit and find a place that fits you. There are soooo many options out there that you don't need to be miserable doing your job.

    Just you wait, my pretty. They'll get you, too. Don't be surprised when you find yourself thinking many of the same thoughts being expressed on this site because you WILL. Just give it a little time. The big difference between being a nursing student and being a nurse is that you don't really have any responsibility right now. Everything you do is done under the safety of your nursing instructor's license.

    When you become a nuse, you will find that nothing you do will change anything about the healthcare system because the politics that control it are beyond the reach of the Safe Harbor Act, or anything like it. You will work short-staffed, you will receive dangerous patient ratio assignments, you will work without much assistance from nursing assistants, you will take abuse from patients, physicians, and family members, and you will eventually begin to burn out. The 2 or 3 patients that you are taking care of as a nursing student is nothing compared to the 6, 7, or 8 that you will get when you become a floor nurse. Any so-called change you think you observed where you are working isn't really change. "Change for the better" from management's perspective is to alledgedly increase patient safety by implementing more protocols and more paperwork for nurses to do, thus further increasing the nurses' workload and writing them up if they have to stay late to finish it up after the shift ends.

    After you make your first medication error or receive your first patient complaint, you will realize that patients and hospital administrators are neither as lovely nor as understanding as you now believe. And when management finds out that you reported their facility as 'unsafe' (and they WILL eventually find out) you will be blacklisted and fired.
  118. You want to go to BEAUTY SCHOOL?!!!??? TO SOLVE YOUR JOB WOES???? You are so wrong, I honestly don't think I've ever heard anything more wrong in my whole life. I was a hairstylist for a long time, and a nail technician after that, and it was the WORST job EVER. The rich bitches who come into the salon and complain about their lame ass problems will make you miss the hospital. At least people in a hospital have real problems. The money SUCKS as a hairstylist, everyone that works there thinks they are gods gift even though they are only doing HAIR. You think doctors have a god complex? Wait until you meet some of those assholes at a fancy hair salon. ATTITUDE like you could never imagine. What kind of person goes into hairstyling? Someone who wants to play with hair all day. None of my coworkers at the salons liked their jobs, everyone was miserable all the time and hated each other and the customers. That is why I QUIT HAIRSTYLING AND BECAME A NURSE! HA HA HA HA HA!!! I cannot wait until you graduate from beauty school and realize how shitty being a hairstylist is and how broke you're going to be. All that AND you have to dress up every day, buy expensice, cutting edge fashion-y clothes that you can't afford so some rich bitch can tell you her nags are one millimeter too short after she just told you to cut them shorter. GOOD LUCK!
  119. You want to go to BEAUTY SCHOOL?!!!??? TO SOLVE YOUR JOB WOES???? You are so wrong, I honestly don't think I've ever heard anything more wrong in my whole life. I was a hairstylist for a long time, and a nail technician after that, and it was the WORST job EVER. The rich bitches who come into the salon and complain about their lame ass problems will make you miss the hospital. At least people in a hospital have real problems. The money SUCKS as a hairstylist, everyone that works there thinks they are gods gift even though they are only doing HAIR. You think doctors have a god complex? Wait until you meet some of those assholes at a fancy hair salon. ATTITUDE like you could never imagine. What kind of person goes into hairstyling? Someone who wants to play with hair all day. None of my coworkers at the salons liked their jobs, everyone was miserable all the time and hated each other and the customers. That is why I QUIT HAIRSTYLING AND BECAME A NURSE! HA HA HA HA HA!!! I cannot wait until you graduate from beauty school and realize how shitty being a hairstylist is and how broke you're going to be. All that AND you have to dress up every day, buy expensive, cutting edge fashion-y clothes that you can't afford so some rich bitch can tell you her bangs are one millimeter too short after she just told you to cut them shorter. GOOD LUCK!
  120. Reading the comments here are despicable. You hate nursing so much...quit. Patients know who the good nurses are. Patients know who the nurses are that are kind, compasionate and truly have a talent and heart for nursing. It is bad nurses like you people posting your complaints on this board about nursing that makes it bad for everyone including the patient.

    I have seen very good nurses and I have seen some nurses that should be picking up trash on the side of the road in an orange vest instead of working with sick people. Get that you sorry nurses? I hate nurses like you people. I hate the nurses that hurt the patient and doesnt care cause you did it on purpose. I hate the nurses that wake up the elderly by pinching the hell out of him when he is in a deep sleep at 3 AM. I hate the nurses that lie to a patient and then sit on their ass and do nothing at the nurses station. I hate the nurses that talk about the patient to the other nurses while they sit on their ass doing nothing. I hate the nurses that barge into patient rooms, dont speak to the patient or tell them what they are doing and treat the patient like a side of beef in a butcher shop instead of like a person. I hate the nurses in the GYN doctors offices that do a procedure without telling the patient and then say "oh this is the only time we'll have to do this unless there is a problem". I hate the nurses in the ER that torture the patients. I hate the nurses that just dont care about the patients or their job. You are the nurses that make nursing a terrible profession and make it a tortured experience for the patients and the families. I hate the nurses that hate their job. It shows when you hate your job. But most of all, I hate the nurses that hurt the patients and think you have the right to do that and then act like you are offended because a family member says something to your sorry ass for it. One bad nurse on a hospital floor makes it bad for everyone.

    If you hate nursing, quit, get out. Do yourself, the hospital and most of all, the patient a better service by leaving. Get a pay check doing something you are better at doing and leave nursing to those that have the heart and soul for it. And for everyone of you sorry nurses that hate your job, hate nursing and have ever caused harm or hurt a patient in any way whatsoever, I hope your face is ripped off before you die and you burn in hell.