Boston local 103 IBEW the worst union
The Boston IBEW is NOT really a union -more like a pyramid scheme – have the apprentices enter into the school system and work much harder for much less pay. When they complete the training (JATC), they get laid off and end up in a less than honest referral system. If they refuse to “suck up” they’ll be there for ever – stuck on the “list”. Or they can travel for life on “the road.” Besides, you’re more likely to quit too…those members forfeit their pension credits. That is the idea, come in get deposits into the pension fund, then encourage them to drop out before they get vested. Some of these guys leave more than one hundred thousand dollars when the leave if they do not get vested that is.
But not me, I enjoy exposing them for what they are. Corrupt “career labor leaders.”
Real unions don’t force other members into pension breaks – while putting their family over to the Boston Globe & Harvard University maintenance department for life -even though they have very low IQs.
Also, real unions have strikes. What union has a 108 year history of never going on strike? None, actually. The Boston IBEW and NECA are just a corrupt synergy.
Voting is central to a democracy. If you can not vote, then society is more like an “order.” So look into the Boston IBEW and see how many of their leaders are either appointed (just think of Jane Swift), or self-appointed (like ML Carr). IN both cases, we got a sh*t deal.
Benifits, retirement, company vehicle. Believe me it can be obtained outside of the politically corrupt unions, you just have to work. Unfortunately that isn't what the good ol union sparkys want to do. It just so happens that developers and generals have had enough of paying for coffee breaks and whinning laborers.
No sweat though. I'm walking in a few weeks. Yeah, non-union and in charge of my own destiny. The REAL American way!
Greg
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the sad part is that most likely this one of the dead beats from our own local who needs a beating
Today, he owns half of South Boston and mansion in Kingston. Ask him when the last time he even touched a piece of conduit was.
BETTER YET, ASK HIM TO SHOW YOU AN UNEMPLOYMENT STUB!
Yknow I just have to say that yes there are things that I see that I don't like going on in my union ,but the truth is there are aspects to what I see that I more than likely don't understand the intracacies of .Because I don't care to ...thats the truth ,I wish for someone to do it for me much like anyone in any job would rather appreciate thier position and work for thier earnings and job and have everything go smoothly.There are things that do concern me and when I can help I try to further my unions causes in whatever way I can .Not because I completely agree with thier politics (which they decided to back out of recently) or becasue thier beliefs cause I dont necessarily agree ,or because I think they are always the most just,every system has corruption and flaws.Every system.
Our business agents my hats off to them do a job i don't think most people could possibly imagine.I have known Mike Monahan for years now and he only ever talks about the positive aspects of people and situations and certainly cares about every member above himself.That man works an amazing workload I couldn't possibly even concieve of.I have in the last few years seen the toll the stress has taken on this mans health ,as he greys and loses hair at an eccellerated rate you can see the toll the stress takes on him ,much like when a president goes through his term.So I owe him thanks beyond words .His pilot program of market recovery is one of the biggest brainchilds of this century and will go down in histroy im sure,pure genius hes even trying to save non union guys money just to oevrcome thier prejudcies and give them a chance to see that they are mistaken.To which often they have.
I worked for rivers and talked personally to john alt he himself admitted we were skilled and intelligible workers ,but just couldnt go union because it would hurt his bottom line.
I talked to electrical outsourcing companies who wanted to hire me becasue i was union if i kept my mouth shut,they liked my education and work but didnt want to give up thier extras.thats a fact
Look any system is flawed we are human we make mistakes.At the union we are now if not ever and imnot sayin they weren't because I wasn;t around,but now more than ever about fixing mistakes clearing up misperceptions and educating people of thier prejudices .It's hard work there are still past "hauntings
of the old mentality but things are changing.
what people need to understand is its a process yeah I often think of leaving and so do many members but you knwo what I always here,"I stay for the benefits"
there may be some clause where there is a balance of 100,000.00 left over if i leave early I dont know so now ill check it out thanks for the enlightenment.yknow what though I dont know of a better deal in town .I have looked I have worked non union ,I have worked union the union offers me the brightest future even when I am unemployed.yes we all sit out eventually .
Rivers apprentices told me when they get thier license they are fired because they are worth more,thats no lie .
Now I can say in 103 thats simply not true you are worth more.the union will help you start your own business ,get better higher education,go to college,an much more what other place will do that ,they dont have to ,they do .
All I would say to someone who has a beef with them is simply this.
Be upfront about it take your gripe to the hall ask questions not justonce stay in touch they want you ,they have admitted already that they regret the 80's of turning people away they want everyone to join so we all .ALL get a better deal the longer you stand alone the longer we all suffer .Look you suffer where you are to not enjoy our benefits,we suffer not having you (non union) because with you we all get better we go twice as high and you come along for the ride.How is there a down side to that,and if someone gets fat in the process who cares because yknow what we all win and someone else is gonna get fat while we suffer.
Our business agents my hats off to them do a job i don't think most people could possibly imagine.I have known Mike Monahan for years now and he only ever talks about the positive aspects of people and situations and certainly cares about every member above himself.That man works an amazing workload I couldn't possibly even concieve of.I have in the last few years seen the toll the stress has taken on this mans health ,as he greys and loses hair at an eccellerated rate you can see the toll the stress takes on him ,much like when a president goes through his term.So I owe him thanks beyond words .His pilot program of market recovery is one of the biggest brainchilds of this century and will go down in histroy im sure,pure genius hes even trying to save non union guys money just to oevrcome thier prejudcies and give them a chance to see that they are mistaken.To which often they have.
I worked for rivers and talked personally to john alt he himself admitted we were skilled and intelligible workers ,but just couldnt go union because it would hurt his bottom line.
I talked to electrical outsourcing companies who wanted to hire me becasue i was union if i kept my mouth shut,they liked my education and work but didnt want to give up thier extras.thats a factLook any system is flawed we are human we make mistakes.At the union we are now if not ever and imnot sayin they weren't because I wasn;t around,but now more than ever about fixing mistakes clearing up misperceptions and educating people of thier prejudices .It's hard work there are still past "hauntings of the old mentality but things are changing.what people need to understand is its a process yeah I often think of leaving and so do many members but you knwo what I always here,"I stay for the benefits"there may be some clause where there is a balance of 100,000.00 left over if i leave early I dont know so now ill check it out thanks for the enlightenment.yknow what though I dont know of a better deal in town .I have looked I have worked non union ,I have worked union the union offers me the brightest future even when I am unemployed.yes we all sit out eventually .
Rivers apprentices told me when they get thier license they are fired because they are worth more,thats no lie .Now I can say in 103 thats simply not true you are worth more.the union will help you start your own business ,get better higher education,go to college,an much more what other place will do that ,they dont have to ,they do .All I would say to someone who has a beef with them is simply this.Be upfront about it take your gripe to the hall ask questions not justonce stay in touch they want you ,they have admitted already that they regret the 80's of turning people away they want everyone to join so we all .ALL get a better deal the longer you stand alone the longer we all suffer .Look you suffer where you are to not enjoy our benefits,we suffer not having you (non union) because with you we all get better we go twice as high and you come along for the ride.How is there a down side to that,and if someone gets fat in the process who cares because yknow what we all win and someone else is gonna get fat while we suffer.
You are an uneducated, ignorant asshole. You have no idea as to what our Business Manager, and his agents have done for not only us, but for our community, and some of them are working seven days a week on their own time. For whatever reason you are disgruntled, I would be willing to bet that it is your own doing, you ought to look in to the mental health area of your life. The people that run local 103 have one thing in mind, securing jobs for our membership, and helping contractors like myself to get those jobs, so that I can hire an asshole like you, and then you can come to work for me, spend more time complaining than working, and then sink the job. People like you think that it's everyone else's fault when the reality of it is, it is your fault. Believe it or not, and fortunately, most of our membership give 8 for 8. Those are the people that stay working, and those are the people that the contractor will go to any length to keep employed. Exactly what is it that you want from the people at 103? Should they ride bicycles to work, or pull up in some shitbox? The Crown Vic's that they drive are more than reasonable, and personally I would like to have them drive large SUV's with 4 wheel drive, so that they are able to safely visit any jobsite without getting stuck in mud, snow, etc. Our Business Manager starts his day very early, I have seen him on a jobsite at 5AM to speak with the men prior to their 6AM start. This is not unusual for him, and he ends his day very late. I can guarantee you that he works harder than anyone carrying a tool bag. The mental stress that he is under on a daily basis is extreme. The decisions that he makes akways has someone pissed off, and it is a job that he can have, and I would never want. Then, to top it off, there is an asshole like you spewing lies about Local 103, and the men and women that run it. Our trust fund administrator, and all of the people at the school work equally hard. All of these people that you know nothing about, and have the balls to make a general, and anonymous I might add, statement, full of lies, really disturbs me. You are the type of person that poisons a job site. You are like a cancerous tumor spreading your disease to others that are as equally uneducated as you. If you don't like it, change it. Vote! Obviously the majority of our membership see's what I see, the positive growth, dedication, hard work, and day to day dilligence of our elected officials that steer the ship on Freeport Street. The best thing you can do is follow your plan, go work non-union. You will be helping the union out by making us more competitive against any shop you work for. Personally, I don't go for anonymity. My name is Frank Kelly, and if you don't like what I said do something to change it. Come out from your spiderhole, get educated. You have people listening to you, it's what they are thinking about you that you should be concerned with. Local 103, and almost all unions are constantly scrutinized by the government, almost to the point of harassment. You are insane to even suggest the opinions that you have, and all of the other anonymous poison spreaders like yourself keep hiding. The men and women that run Local 103 can walk proud with their head up knowing the good that they do each day, and they will continue to fight for what is right, even for tumors like you.
any non-union electricain in the boston area should really take a look at a journeyman in the local 103's paycheck and benefits package before they start patting themselves on the back because in reality you are just selling yourself short
enjoy making much less money and having to be burdened with increasing health care cost and an ugly retirement package
if you want to scab and be at the mercy of your employee like a spineless jellyfish then non-union is the way to go and you every right to be that way
as for me i choose to go union because im smart enough to realize that collective bargaining is the most effective way to ink a contract and uniting with your fellow workers is the best way to gain political power and strenght
we here at the 103 have a strong and powerfull voice in the community while the non-union electricians dont have much
you can still make a choice, if you want more for you and your family..... dont be afraid to turn over your shop...do not sell yourself short
micheal monohan has increased union market share, brought in tons of new contractors and put more money in his members paychecks since he has took charge
any non-union electricain in the boston area should really take a look at a journeyman in the local 103's paycheck and benefits package before they start patting themselves on the back because in reality you are just selling yourself short
enjoy making much less money and having to be burdened with increasing health care cost and an ugly retirement package
if you want to scab and be at the mercy of your employee like a spineless jellyfish then non-union is the way to go and you every right to be that way
as for me i choose to go union because im smart enough to realize that collective bargaining is the most effective way to ink a contract and uniting with your fellow workers is the best way to gain political power and strenght
we here at the 103 have a strong and powerfull voice in the community while the non-union electricians dont have much
you can still make a choice, if you want more for you and your family..... dont be afraid to turn over your shop...do not sell yourself short
CANT EVEN SPELL MIKE MONAHAN RIGHT
I am a 15 year member of 103
And have never missed a day or have been unemployed
IF YOU SHOW UP WORK HARD AND DO YOU FUCKING JOB
YOU WILL HAVE NO PROBLEM
IT IS THE LAZY DRUG RIDDEN AZZHOLES THAT 103 NEEDS TO GET RID OF
I CANT TELL YOU HOW MANNY PEOPLE JOURNEYMAN AND APPRENTICES I HAVE HAD TO GET RID OF FOR NOT SHOWING UP AND DOING THERE FUCKING JOB !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THE PROBLRM IS THIS NEXT GENERATION COMMING UP BEHIND US THING THAT THEY ARE OWED EVERYTHING
THEY NEED TO EARN THE RESPECT AND LEARN LIKE WE HAVE DONE
Yea, mention 'workshare" and see what you get. Workshare would mean that we all could get our fair share of work when things are slow, but that would mean that the "connected"
would have to step aside like the rest of us and THAT simply won't do at all.
And YEA, if you have the right connections, whether they be in the Hall or at a company, you are more likely to support the current system.
Yea, it is awful strange that the average guy has to wait years and years to get on the T, or the Globe, and such, but the
so-and-so familly seems to get those jobs while they are still young. That is corrupt whether you like it or not, and if you can'r admit that much you need to get real.
It is easy as hell for the fat-cats to tell the rest of us that we have no right to work non union for a while to support our famillies while they enjoy the high rate of pay, what is it anyway? Some of them i think get General Foreman pay, 52 weeks a year, paid holidays and sick time. I'll tell you, as an apprentice a coulple years back, unemployed from the late great Mass Electric, it really hit home as the BM allowed us to see his screen save of him driving an expensive boat in his tanktop while telling us in so many words that we would be rats to work non union so our children would not have to loose the house we live in.
But my biggest complaint is that the apprentice system SUCKS!
After my first year at Mass Electric i came to Mr. Nigro and told him i was not learning shit and asked his to get me into a smaller company so that i could learn something useful. He flatly refused, telling me i should order my foremen to teach me? What a jerk.
And this was while we still had travelers and walk through.
He could have gotten me in another company easy as he pleased. And i was an "A" student too. Not some asshole kid that was no good.
So, after 21/2 years of learning shit, really, they finally started teaching me and i loved it. I was a good worker. Showed up every day as always, was dependable and willing to work hard. But at my third year at Mass they laid me off anyway. And i have bounced ever since.
So now i have my license and i'm not worth $37 an hour ok?
That's the fucking sad truth and it's not my fault. I came to my union rep, Mr. Nigro, and he turned his fucking back on me.
Now i know the man has helped many others, but that is their story, not mine.
I hope Tom Otool, who seems to be bright, and capable, will take the time to examine this situation. Other union have steps in place that minimize this kind of thing, and Local 103 needs to follow siut for the sake of its own future. You may not give a fuck about me and my problems, but the more guys like me that turn out, and their are plenty, the worse it looks for all of us. In the end its another nail in our coffin.
And despite what you may whant to unfairly think about me, i did want to learn, i did work hard, i was an "A" student at the school.
I was NOT some lazy asshole.
And my story is one that many share. THE CURRENT APPRENTICE SYSTEM NEEDS TO CHANGE IF LOCAL 103 INTENDS TO TURN OUT BETTER JOURNEYMEN. The Big Dig era fucked too many of us. The chase for the buck was so maddening that a lot of apprentices, especially Mass Electric apprentices, got lost in the cracks and this needs to stop. It's too late for me and others, but please, let's put a system in place that ensures that eack apprentice is learning on the job what he or she should be learning. After all,
like it or not, todays apprentice has to pay YOUR retirement fund.
Yes, they do insure me and my familly when i am unemployed.
This is almost unheard of any place else in the world, in ANY trade or profession. (Except politics ha ha ) Those people work four years and get taken care of after, what a joke. But that is another subject.
I cant stand listening to people like Howie Carr. I worked and went to school for five years to work in a trade where i risk my life to some degree every day so why shouldn't i get paid good for it?
In any system, the powerful and the connected will enjoy aan unfair amount of consideration, be it politics, the Army, or Local 103. For sure the Fat Cats at the Hall take care of their own, but who wouldn't? You telling me that If you were the BM you wouldn't help get your familly into the Globe? It sucks for sure not to be related and have to work twice as hard for everything you get, but it is what it is and always will be.
I think the Local has it's political heads up thier butts lately, supporting Primary candidate after Primary candidte that has
a) No chance of winning
b) Is against out turbine work!
I mean, if a guy has no real chance of getting in office, he can't help us right?
And if one candidte is openly for the off shore turbine work and the other is against it, why the FUCK do they want us to vote for the guy who is against us? daaaaaa
Finally someone with an education on this this thread. I agree with everything you have just said. I think the problem with all of these complaints is they are coming from piss ignorant grunts or old men that have nothing better to do than bitch. As for everyone that works at the hall and school,Hats off. Everyone in the field bashes them because their not in a position to have or take their job. Yours too,Im sure your bashed out on the job site for the fact nobody thinks you work hard. Hats off to you brother, I know for a fact you work harder than anyone in the field.Ive worked along side someone in your position for a day and you couldnt pay me enough/not now anyway. Ill stick to my current job title for now/Jrnymn. Signed:Josh Weatherly Local 20 Fort Worth,Texas [/QUOTE
No dude,he's not all wrong but yea,
people who ARE working and poison the job al day really suck, i'll give you that. But to say that things are perfect down at the Hall and equally fair to ALL workers is as inacurate as anything our troubled brother has to say
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You are an uneducated, ignorant asshole. You have no idea as to what our Business Manager, and his agents have done for not only us, but for our community, and some of them are working seven days a week on their own time. For whatever reason you are disgruntled, I would be willing to bet that it is your own doing, you ought to look in to the mental health area of your life. The people that run local 103 have one thing in mind, securing jobs for our membership, and helping contractors like myself to get those jobs, so that I can hire an asshole like you, and then you can come to work for me, spend more time complaining than working, and then sink the job. People like you think that it's everyone else's fault when the reality of it is, it is your fault. Believe it or not, and fortunately, most of our membership give 8 for 8. Those are the people that stay working, and those are the people that the contractor will go to any length to keep employed. Exactly what is it that you want from the people at 103? Should they ride bicycles to work, or pull up in some shitbox? The Crown Vic's that they drive are more than reasonable, and personally I would like to have them drive large SUV's with 4 wheel drive, so that they are able to safely visit any jobsite without getting stuck in mud, snow, etc. Our Business Manager starts his day very early, I have seen him on a jobsite at 5AM to speak with the men prior to their 6AM start. This is not unusual for him, and he ends his day very late. I can guarantee you that he works harder than anyone carrying a tool bag. The mental stress that he is under on a daily basis is extreme. The decisions that he makes akways has someone pissed off, and it is a job that he can have, and I would never want. Then, to top it off, there is an asshole like you spewing lies about Local 103, and the men and women that run it. Our trust fund administrator, and all of the people at the school work equally hard. All of these people that you know nothing about, and have the balls to make a general, and anonymous I might add, statement, full of lies, really disturbs me. You are the type of person that poisons a job site. You are like a cancerous tumor spreading your disease to others that are as equally uneducated as you. If you don't like it, change it. Vote! Obviously the majority of our membership see's what I see, the positive growth, dedication, hard work, and day to day dilligence of our elected officials that steer the ship on Freeport Street. The best thing you can do is follow your plan, go work non-union. You will be helping the union out by making us more competitive against any shop you work for. Personally, I don't go for anonymity. My name is Frank Kelly, and if you don't like what I said do something to change it. Come out from your spiderhole, get educated. You have people listening to you, it's what they are thinking about you that you should be concerned with. Local 103, and almost all unions are constantly scrutinized by the government, almost to the point of harassment. You are insane to even suggest the opinions that you have, and all of the other anonymous poison spreaders like yourself keep hiding. The men and women that run Local 103 can walk proud with their head up knowing the good that they do each day, and they will continue to fight for what is right, even for tumors like you.
heys sounds like wayne griffin finally figured out how to post a wed site. listen , heres the deal. dont listen to the clown who posted this site. take it from me , im a new member. this union has changed my entire life style. i went from under class the middle class the night i was sworn in. this summer i took two weeks off for a vacation i cfould afford.why dear god do you non union guys sell your selfs short, oh wait a min, its not selling your self short , its called the merit shop mantality, hey when i was salting constar, i got the biggest kick out of the way the rats all threw each other under the bus. talk about kissing ass. anyway why dont those of you who have the gutts it take to salt come to our hall. we need a few good me.
p.s
the sad part is that most likely this one of the dead beats from our own local who needs a beating
It helps to have connections but I do not. Being a great worker helps too but there are plenty of great workers at home right now and for you to think that you are somehow better than every one of them is foolish. Get this, I call the hall almost every day for jobs. There are no calls but my name keeps going down on the list???????? What is going on with that????? I'm talking hundreds of jobs, say 600 I have gone down and there have only been about 100 on the recorder! So this BROTHERHOOD has favorites for sure and plenty of men better than me and you are getting fucked.
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You are right but the system is not fair to all. It is not equal.
The biggest problem is that too many new people were hired in the last few years. Other Locals like the Millrights and Laborers are carefull to keep numbers down during bad times. Maybe I was one of them that got hired when things were about to slow down but it is what it is. We have about a thousand too many people right now.
Other locals are carefull not to do this. Someone got carried away trying to get every electrician and wannabe in the state to join even though work was declining! I understant the whole baby boomer/retirement thing but this should have been planned for long ago instead of hiring when there is no work!
LOCAL 10ME "INTERNATIONAL BROTHERF@#KER'S OF ELECTRICAL WORM'S"
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