nursing sucks….RN

I have just left the nursing profession after 18 awful, frustrating years of being overworked, used and abused, and I am happier than I’ve been in years!

I would not tell my worst enemy to become an RN. After years of 12 hour shifts with no breaks (even if it were possible, only 30 minutes are allowed),
understaffing, and basically running damage control, I couldn’t take it any more.

I went into home health for the past few years and worked for several different companies; none provided a cell phone or even paid for mileage; we had to pay for our own CPR, fingerprinting, background checks, physicals, etc. even though there is a critical nursing shortage because NURSES DON’T COMOPLAIN ABOUT IT!

Fools. What other jobs require cell phones and driving upwards of 100 miles a day with no reimbursement???
There is a sociological concept known as “horizontal violence” that happens when a group of people feels opressed and powerless and they take it out on eachother (think gnags and drive-by shootings as an example)…this is what happens with nurses every day!

Nurses are notoriously cruel to each other. As if the working conditions were not bad enough, we have to deal with nurses “eating their own”. Nurses do not realize their power that comes from need and demand, and put up with abysmal conditions.

I’m gone and I will never look back.

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  1. I beat ya to it! I left 5 years ago and haven't looked back!! I'm a RN-BSN and don't really care about the time lost in training/schooling. I have applied my many skills to another totally different career... and couldn't be happier! Good luck!
  2. to the first reply---get off the cross honey somebody needs the wood; Nursing does suck trying to get out of it myself; I totaly feel you about horizontal violence in the work place and don't even get me started on middle management, give one RN alittle power and watch her be a witch to every other nurse.
  3. YOU NEVER LIED.I WOULD LIKE TO GET OUT ,BUT IT PAYS OK.WE DO EAT OUR OWN.THEY SAY WE ARE A PROFESSION (I.E MD,CPA,etc.)but we can not just be called RN -it has to be RN-BSN,MSN ,ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQ-Z.TO GO TO ONE MEETING YOU'VE BEEN TO THEM ALL.I HAVE DONE ALL KINDS OF NURSING IT ALL SUCKS FROM NURSING SCHOOL TO THE FEILD.
  4. Why are all nurses so obese within 2 years of graduation? Y'all look so hot in your grad photos. Please explain this phenomenon.
  5. I'm feeling what you are saying and sorry that you have decided to leave the nursing field. I am currently a nursing student and have always wanted to be a nurse. I think nurses can be cruel to each other as well as to those in other positions. I also think nursing is what you make it. If you let them get the best of you then they will. If you stand your ground be tactful and professional you will be fine and most of all keep your own nose clean. I wish the image of nursing was different but you have to remember we are dealing with a profession that is dominated by mostly WOMAN and you know how we can be. (not making excussses)

    I hope you find it in your heart to come back to nursing because we don't need to be lossing nurses at this point.
  6. Why are we nurses sometimes fat? Let's see now....??????

    In my case, it has something to do with sleep deprivation and the fact that contacting multiple respiratory infections made it so I cannot breathe through my sinuses when I lie down, so I wake up and am sleep deprived. Then I go get something to eat in my stupor to make me yet sleepier again.

    I would get medical treatment for this condition, but it seems that shift work combined with our spotty (at best) medical coverage throughout the years combined witht he strees our our hateful working environments just has us working caring for the sick in a chronically sick state ourselves. Imagine...

    But at least I don't feel all alone. I even once had a CNA ask me about a patinet who had stoked out who was just one of us fat nurses. She asked me... "What happened to her?"

    Without thinking, I responed... "She was probably a nurse who worked her butt off constantly and didn't take good care of herself and ended up a vegetable."

    Later, this patient couldn't move anything except her eyeballs, She wouldl cry when I came in and then feel her face with a look of intense hatred for me. Turns out, that she had what was called 'locked in syndrome".

    Moral... It might be better to not answer insensitive questions at all. And your question was insensitive.

    Reminds me of when the Republicans got into a thing of making fun of Amerrica's fat poor. That ugly old Newt!
  7. Yes, the comparison of nurse with librarian was rather bizarre. People don't really understand what nursing has become in the US.

    I always tell folk that it is the female equivalent of coal mining in a way. We work in the dark, too. And at any time our world can cave in just like in a mine. And like mine owners, our hospital managers care about profits more than worker safety or well being. Nursing is a job made and structured in the US to be very destructive to our health. Just like mining is often designed into for the mainly men that do that work.

    What is missing with this comparison, is the solidarity that sometimes exists in mines. Miners do have a bunch of 'superiors' constantly on hand screwing the work up, but at least not directly in the mine shaft as a rule. But this constant interference is what keeps nurses from supporting each other. Nurses lack the solidarity that miners often have with each other.

    For example... Miners have an occasional foreman who is also considered a miner giving orders. But floor nurses have a whole zoo of low level adminstrators that have RN attached to their names. These folk won't do, so they adminster and 'teach' others what is to be done. Miners have nothing quite like that to keep their solidarity from coalescing. If they do, I hope a miner writes and lets this forum know more about their environment.

    All in all, maybe my name is a sign of what nurses should compare their work to? We are quite simply seen in many a place to be...

    The Drug Pusher
  8. It's really sad to these stories of people wanting to help others but the system won't allow them to.

    I know of a little-known option for ladies who want a profitable and fulfilling career path that allows them to put their family first. I can be reached at sharonisathome@charter.net
  9. Not sure what happened. I sent this person an email and she never responded. "sharonisathome@charter.net".

    Did anyone else get a response?
  10. I sympathise with all you ladies, but you cant really complain about nurses wages and work in the USA untill you have worked for the great British National Health Service. Our hospitals are old and dirty and understaffed in all areas, not just nursing. And though the governmaent is always saying thet the NHS is underfunded the truth is that it isnt, the money is just all going to paper pushers who have no connection or use to the trust that they 'work' for.
  11. Lots of paper pushers in British nursing? Then you might have just the beginning of an idea about the American system? You see, paper pushing comes first and foremost here thanks to our insurance run system. The paper is much more important than the patient even, and only the lowly CNAs are really actually able to find a minute of two to even talk to many of the "clients". In some facilities, the "clients" don't even get watered! Believe me, we got more paper pushing than you can imagine in your worst British nightmares. And all the positions are short filled, just like in Britain. It's part of running "lean" profit-making operations.

    No doubt though, you are right about the money being better, but also the speedup might be quite a bit worse. This means that the elderly nurse is a throwaway nurse. Older folks are not as good on skates as the younger kids. Nursing "careers" are short and without pensions.

    Don't get me wrong though! The goal is to Americanize all the baddy "socialized" systems everywhere. So whatever the differences currrently are, soon we will all be alike ala McDonalds and WalMart. But instead of serving up hamburgers, we will serve up people patties. That is if they can keep the mad cow and other bugs under control?

    The Drug Pusher
  12. Quote:
    Originally posted by Unregistered
    Why are all nurses so obese within 2 years of graduation? Y'all look so hot in your grad photos. Please explain this phenomenon.
    I believe it's called Cortisol, dear ... It's a hormone released during repeated STRESS! It leads to fatty deposits ... usually around the middle .... Too much of it released over time not only makes you fat, but can also make you fatigued, depressed and puts you at risk for coronary problems. Correct me if I'm wrong!

    It's also called 'Night Shift,' which is where most new grads begin. It is the shift that shortens the lifespan, deprives you of sleep, light AND a social life.

    Ooooohhh! But no one ever tells you that!

    No one ever tells you how to care for yourself while working it, either .... you're just expected to slog through on your own ... You take care of EVERYBODY else ... NO ONE gives a rat's ass about YOU! They'll say, "It takes time to get used to."

    It takes at least a YEAR to acclimate to Nights. Some people never do (they're smart!). When you work Nights (7p-7a or llp-7a), timing meals is quite difficult. You awaken and it's near dinner-time ... by 2 or 3 am, you're hungry again, and it's all too easy to reach for that cheeseburger and coffee ... and cigarette ... instead of a yogurt.

    The weight goes on ... so much for the size 6 or 8 you were in nursing school! Who cares if you're hot - WORK has now insinuated itself into what used to be your LIFE! You're 'just a nurse,' after all ... an expendable drudge.

    By the time you come home in the morning ... do you eat or do you go to bed? If there are no children to taxi to school or day care ... do you drink yourself blind in front of the tv?

    This is your life on Night Shift ... So much for living!
  13. Quote:
    Originally posted by Unregistered
    I'm feeling what you are saying and sorry that you have decided to leave the nursing field. I am currently a nursing student and have always wanted to be a nurse. I think nurses can be cruel to each other as well as to those in other positions. I also think nursing is what you make it. If you let them get the best of you then they will. If you stand your ground be tactful and professional you will be fine and most of all keep your own nose clean. I wish the image of nursing was different but you have to remember we are dealing with a profession that is dominated by mostly WOMAN and you know how we can be. (not making excussses)

    I hope you find it in your heart to come back to nursing because we don't need to be lossing nurses at this point.
    Sorry, but at the moment, I prefer UNEMPLOYMENT!
  14. Great post about night shift and fat. If the hospitals even had a drop of concern about its own workforce, let alone the patients' health, they would allow a nap break at night for staff. Instead, they just keep stresing and stressing and stressing out their own nurses, and then the adminstrators go abroad to bring in new cannon fodder for the floors.

    And the day nurses often fall for this stuff a lot, too. Oftentimes they come in all tense and hyped up and give night nurses hell at 8AM in the morning! They like to rave about how all the i and j are not dotted perfectly for the start of their DAY. A most blatant example of how nurses eat their young. The adminstators encourage this sort of thing, and call it professionalism. I just call it not truly giving a damn about health.

    The Drug Pusher
  15. I find it amazing that the 1960's love and peace hippies are the one's that make up management positions today. The bosses who are squeazing the nursing profession to death in order to boost their bonuses and cover the millions of "do-nothings" they love to see immigrating to the US.

    The medical profession is spreading the money to thin and nurses are paying dearly for it.
  16. I'm 'a love and peace hippy' from the '60s and I'm not in management. What are you talking about? And most nurses brought in as new cannon fodder work their butts off. I'm not going to blame them at all as you seem to suggest that we should.

    The Drug Pusher
  17. gojack,
    I'm not talking about the new meat that are being useful idiots in helping management destroy nursing, I am talking about the sell-outs that are now in management.

    Another example of the 60's types is Nike management. They are now writing the ads like No Pain, No Gain and Just Do It.
    They were taking acid and screaming make love not war in the 60's and now they are taking huge bonuses and laying off nurses. Hypocrits? Or merely following suit to the dream of a Castro/ Socialized Medicine.

    Maybe they all need to read Animal Farm.
  18. These people are not management. They are in the California Nurses Association which is about as non-managemnet as you can find in the American labor movement. And what's wrong with a little socialism anyway?

    We now have a medical system totally driven by private ownership of the hospitals, insurance payments, and technology and pharmaceutical industries. It's private ownership that makes our system so insane, not socialism.

    Maybe you should take off your ideological shades some and look at what we got straight on? You act as if a bunch of aging commies are running Nike and the US medical and nursing establishments! Jeez..... I'd call that very confused. Time to drop some of that rabid Right Wing mentality, and realize that management is not merely a group of aging hippies at peace with the times.

    The Drug Pusher
  19. DP,
    You saw the hook....
  20. Quote:
    Originally posted by Unregistered
    Why are all nurses so obese within 2 years of graduation? Y'all look so hot in your grad photos. Please explain this phenomenon.
    read up on stress, depression, constipation from not being able to take time enough to dump,and prolonged periods of emotional and physical fatigue. that might help you figure it out. and lack of sleep due to having your license----- your livelihood dangling out there for anyone that really wants to, to take it all away from you. and the whole thing can take you so far down you have to force yourself to to anything at all on days off. it's too much for a lot of people and they give up what is healthy for them. trying to cope with knowing and experiencing just what most people will do to harm another person in any way they can-- just because they can. i think of it as being emotionally raped every day. you risk financial rape every day if some asshole can succeed in getting your license yanked. you can get emotionally numb to all and just quit giving a damn about anything-- even yourself. and if this doesnt give you the answer you need you can always try experiencing it for yourself. it's a battle every day of your life. you either struggle to hold your ground or let it beat you.
  21. Well said.
  22. 11 years of pure hell
  23. OK, I can't just say "11 years of pure hell"and stop.
    Where else in the world besides nursing does anyone...
    -eat lunch while doing 20 other work-related tasks?
    -accept 100% of the responsibility while maintaining 0% control?
    -endure what my hospital likes to call "potty training".... endless signs, posters, inservices posted around bathroom walls, prohibiting even this necessary task from being accomplished in peace?

    I could drone on... y'all pls e-mail me anytime to bitch about this godawful life as a nurse. And... any nursing student reading this.... you can think it's "sour grapes" if you want to. I waited my entire life to go back to school and become a nurse, because I wanted to make a difference. 11 years later, I'm still waiting to make one. If it were the nurses and the patients, well, that might be different. But the bullshit you are reading about does occur in the workplace. To challenge it is a death sentence-- then you would not be a "team player". And so it goes...
    summer_breeze7306@yahoo.com
  24. Quote:
    Originally posted by gojack10
    [I always tell folk that it is the female equivalent of coal mining in a way. [/b]

    There ya go, forgetting about us male nurses. We work in the same coal mine.
  25. I agree with you, we are overworked and degraded constantly on a day to day basis!!!! Yet, we put up with it and nurses accept the work conditions. I think that now's the time for nurses to just all band together throughout the country and say we're not going to take this anymore!!!!! We're fed up with it and we want changes where we're treated like respected individuals who deserve a lot better then this. I say nurses around the country go on strike till we get our demands!!!!!!!!!!! We as nurses have a lot of power as a whole if we group up and unite because who will take care of the patients without us. I'm so happy for yo....it's a tough job and I know you'll be a lot happier now that you're getting out of it.
  26. To all nurses,


    I don't know if my opinion will matter or not, or will have much of an effect on this site. But I will give it a try. To all nurses who have felt devalued, degraded, unhappy, disrespected on their nursing jobs, I say none of us deserve this. Our patients need nurses in their time of need who are not run RAGGED!!! who actually have nurses who can give each one of them good quality care because we have more time for them. So I propose that all nurses who feel the same as I do to propose a massive strike throughout the country. We need to stand up for what is right already. WE need to demand for realistic ratios that nurses could comfortably handle and we need to demand that other professions do their own job (e.g. nurses in my facility are the ones who have to draw the blood not the phlebotomist!) I'm sick and tired of these work conditions. I feel like a servant 100% of the time, not a respected professional. I enjoy taking care of patients, but not under such unrealistic conditions. So I believe that we as nurses have a lot of power as a group. These hospitals NEED us to work. So we need to have a massive strike,
    write letters to the board of registered nursing, write letters to the legislature. We need healthcare reform!!! because our current system is all screwed up. LET'S MAKE A CHANGE NURSES....LET'S MAKE A CHANGE NOW!!!! So many nurses are leaving the profession and many people don't want to get into nursing already. WE need to do something......
  27. that's right. A REAL STRIKE IS THE ONLY WAY TO DO IT. where i have been working here in syracuse, ny there are very few nurses that will participate because they just dont seem to get it that if a strike is done right they will win. in this case i'm pinning a lot of the blame for it on the union people. they arent getting the nurses and cna's informed or motivated. God knows i have tried, but they wont listen. several years ago they had a "strike". nurses were still going in to work as scheduled and they were letting travel nurses or whatever go in and out. the strikers stayed plenty out of the way. some of the strikers suffered for it and even lost their homes. they all wont listen to reason about doing it right. they need to get motivated, but i was unable in two years time to do anything about it all by myself. we need union people that will use their positions like they are supposed to. the ones in this particular facility use their positions strictly for their own personal benefit. there was one nurse that brought around a petition to get some of them impeached and she had planned to try to get in as a union rep. the problem is she has guts so somewhere along the way they put an end to that effort. i think nurses need actually, a charismatic person , a leader from different groups to go public and get people motivated. they might need like people from varying ethnic , sexually oriented, and economic backgrounds, and men. it seems that people will listen better to ones they feel like they can identify with. nursing alone doesnt appear to be enough of a bond because there is no bond between nurses anymore. and they need men. people just listen better to men. and my personal opinion is that men are less liable to back down. truthfully,who would you want leading you and who would you feel safer with standing beside you on your way into a fight? also, for the most part since the beginning, nursing has been thought of as a more female profession-- so what does that tell you? not that women alone will fight. anyone can get mad at me if they want for saying that, but it is true.
  28. Nursing does SUCK. I went into nursing 15 years ago because i was just out of high school and needed to do something. It was not a calling, it was and still is just a job. My mother suggested nursing and so I went on the waiting list for one year until I started.

    Nurisng school was not difficult but dealing with the dumb asses was...the fat, bitchy, non smiling nursing instructor who tried to overcompensate for her ugly looks by bullying young students...the maternity rotation zealot instructor who couldn't see ANYTHING outside of her scope of practice.

    Anyway, I went on to graduate and and had to work 6...yes 6 on call jobs just to get full time hours because there was a nursing shortage. So I came up with this brilliant idea "MOVE FROM CANADA TO THE STATES...THEY NEED NURSES!!!!!!!"

    Well there was a reason that they needed nurses in San Antonio TX...None of the FAT ASS, LAZY, NON communicative, miserable, wide as a house BITCHES and Assholes did any work. They were too busy "WRITING YOU UP!". I didn't even know what "writing somebody up" was until I started nursing in the US. I guess good ol' fashion communicating with your colleague just doesn't work in the US. You know, channels of communication...work it out with your collegue...THAT MUST HAVE JUST BEEN NURSING SCHOOL CRAP.

    What they choose to do instead is backstab you to death!!!

    Well needless to say, my experience with Humana San Antonio was a piece of CRAP!! I RAN FOR THE BORDER AND BACK TO CANADA AS SOON AS MY CONTRACT WAS OVER!!!!

    I am still in nursing and have worked as an ER nurse for 11 years. That ER thing just SUCKS the life right out of you. You basically deal with dumbASSES all day long. People cannot make any independent decisions...God forbid they treat their kid for a fever or try any home measure!!! What a bunch of LOSERS!!!! I, luckily am out of the bedside nursing scene...Now I just educate Dumb asS NURSES that "NO, DRINKING BANANA FLAVOURED ORAL CONTRAST WILL NOT MAKE A PT. HYPERKALEMIC....AND YES, WHEN YOUR PATIENT IS BLEEDING PROFUSELY AND YOU ARE HOLDING HER IN THE ER FOR HOURS AND HOURS UNTIL SHE GETS AN ADMISSION BED...YOU MIGHT WANT TO CHECK HER H & HGB A COUPLE OF TIMES (PARTICULARLY WHEN HER BLOOD PRESSURE DROPS TO 50/PALP."

    This profession sucks and sucks the life out of you if you let it... but it is a job. One just has to find the right niche within the profession. You can still be a good nurse even if you dislike nursing. IT'S JUST A JOB!!!!!!
  29. IT ALL PAYS FOR GAS!
  30. I love how in my state (ILL.)we have a nursing magzine that tries to show nursing in a positive light.But it is the biggest joke.The magzine is "The nursing Spectrum" what a joke.I have seen nurses making suggestions that are not even on the floor.Pictures of nurses with staff in the bed like a patient.No sign of the bitching and moaning pt's and their family members.There are some places that I have worked that any idiot could see -it is everyman for himself.For the complainers you just offer the phoney knod ,and the all famous we will get on it.They pt and family members can't get it in their heads that it is survival.We don't have enough help,or supplies.This is long term care what a joke,the higher ups only see $$$$$.
  31. hey, nutjob, you don't know a job until you take it!!! Why don't you try it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  32. to the nurse from canada: I could not agree more, you are so right!!! Nursing is a witch hunt!!! Write you up!!! Yep that's the deal!!! Nursing shortage???? Gee, I wonder why??? At my job we are told to "get out the door on time no matter what!!!" so if we are in the middle of listening to some poor bastard who is thinking about commiting suicide it's "sorry about that but my shift is up" SICK, SICK , SICK. I regret ever having gone to nursing school and I am a damn good nurse too. But, I consider leaving every day. One day soon I will find another way to earn money-in spite of all the crap-I remain an excellent nurse to my patients--and that says a lot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  33. I agree and I am getting out of it after 10yrs as well. I would rather do just about anything else.
  34. Quote:
    Originally posted by Unregistered
    There ya go, forgetting about us male nurses. We work in the same coal mine.

  35. Uh, wrong, Bub, you don't work in the same coal mine. You are likely given credit for more knowledge/expertise than your female counterparts because you are male. You are more than likely treated with more respect/deference than female counterparts who are more expert/knowledgeable/experienced/capable
    than you simply because you are male.
  36. I am going to keep on pimping Medicare till there is no more,and make insurance companies tap out.Heck nursing is great.Really,there is an over abundance of old people,fat a@@,smokers,DMs,and these docs are helping them live forever.Next to the oil companies,this is great.Keep them all alive-Baby Needs New shoes!
  37. If nursing sucks so much why are you guys saying you've been nurses for over a decade? It's your fault that you allowed nursing to destroy your physical body and your mental health because you didn't find a different profession after your first or even second "year of hell". Did you ever try a different facility? Different area?

    The real reason "nursing sucks" is because of nurses like you who bitch and moan about it but don't DO anything about it. Lobby to change laws about working conditions. Band together as co-workers to stand up to administration to voice your opinions about what you don't like and what needs to be changed. Protest and go on strike. People only treat you the way you allow them to and if you sit back and do nothing, nothing is going to change.

    The problem is nobody is willing to put in that extra effort to fight and to make a change. Nobody said it is going to be easy but anything worth fighting for isn't going to be easy. If nursing isn't your thing, then leave the profession, we don't want to be around nurses who hate their jobs; but next time you make a 10 or 20 year committment to a profession- think twice before you start believing everything in life is going to be easy. Anybody can run away from their problems and it is nurses like you guys who started this whole "nursing sucks" trend decades ago that is contributing to the shortage and the decline of the nursing profession.

    Thanks for not fighting and for running away. Thanks for discouraging other people just because you don't know how to stand up for your rights. Take a look at your lives- all of you quitters aren't just unhappy with nursing, but with everything in your lives because your "quitter" mentality is much easier to feed than one of perseverance and determination. There are a lot of drawbacks to nursing but I'd rather nurses like you quit than to stay around trying to poison those of us who are actually doing something about it.
  38. Quote:
    Originally posted by Unregistered
    There are a lot of drawbacks to nursing but I'd rather nurses like you quit than to stay around trying to poison those of us who are actually doing something about it.

    So what ARE YOU doing about it?
  39. Nursing is the worst job in the world. I changed professions to Law Enforcement. At least I get respect, have control and self-esteem.
  40. Okay you didn't have any self esteem as a nurse.... so you go to law enforcement so that you can boss people around and act like a jerk so that you can have self- esteem? Thanks for quitting nursing because Lord knows we didn't need a nurse like you perpetuating a negative image.
  41. It just sucks
  42. Quote:
    Originally posted by Unregistered
    I agree and I am getting out of it after 10yrs as well. I would rather do just about anything else.
    Very curious to know what you are going to do? Going back to school, starting a new career with on the job training, opening a business or going into one of those "alternative careers" for nurses?
  43. Quote:
    Originally posted by Unregistered
    Nursing is the worst job in the world. I changed professions to Law Enforcement. At least I get respect, have control and self-esteem.
    Life is too short...why stay in a job that makes you miserable. I think what you have done is fantastic (and smart).
  44. Quote:
    Originally posted by Unregistered
    If nursing sucks so much why are you guys saying you've been nurses for over a decade? It's your fault that you allowed nursing to destroy your physical body and your mental health because you didn't find a different profession after your first or even second "year of hell". Did you ever try a different facility? Different area?

    The real reason "nursing sucks" is because of nurses like you who bitch and moan about it but don't DO anything about it. Lobby to change laws about working conditions. Band together as co-workers to stand up to administration to voice your opinions about what you don't like and what needs to be changed. Protest and go on strike. People only treat you the way you allow them to and if you sit back and do nothing, nothing is going to change.

    The problem is nobody is willing to put in that extra effort to fight and to make a change. Nobody said it is going to be easy but anything worth fighting for isn't going to be easy. If nursing isn't your thing, then leave the profession, we don't want to be around nurses who hate their jobs; but next time you make a 10 or 20 year committment to a profession- think twice before you start believing everything in life is going to be easy. Anybody can run away from their problems and it is nurses like you guys who started this whole "nursing sucks" trend decades ago that is contributing to the shortage and the decline of the nursing profession.

    Thanks for not fighting and for running away. Thanks for discouraging other people just because you don't know how to stand up for your rights. Take a look at your lives- all of you quitters aren't just unhappy with nursing, but with everything in your lives because your "quitter" mentality is much easier to feed than one of perseverance and determination. There are a lot of drawbacks to nursing but I'd rather nurses like you quit than to stay around trying to poison those of us who are actually doing something about it.
    It would be interesting to see how your smug, have all the answers attitude, the true tip off of the new nurse, by the way, changes after you've been a nurse for ten years. But it won't happen, you'll never last that long. Remember that when your misery on the job turns you into a 'quitter' too. Of course we're not just unhappy with nursing, but with everything in our lives....everything in our lives has been poisoned by the torture of being a nurse. Don't kid yourself, it'll happen to you. And when it does, may you find it just as hard to find another job as everyone else who has ever been tainted by having been a nurse--once you've done it, you can't even get a job cleaning toilets at Wal-Mart.
  45. Quote:
    Originally posted by max99
    It would be interesting to see how your smug, have all the answers attitude, the true tip off of the new nurse, by the way, changes after you've been a nurse for ten years. But it won't happen, you'll never last that long. Remember that when your misery on the job turns you into a 'quitter' too. Of course we're not just unhappy with nursing, but with everything in our lives....everything in our lives has been poisoned by the torture of being a nurse. Don't kid yourself, it'll happen to you. And when it does, may you find it just as hard to find another job as everyone else who has ever been tainted by having been a nurse--once you've done it, you can't even get a job cleaning toilets at Wal-Mart.
    Couldn't have said it better myself max99!
  46. WOW!!! What a bunch of bullshit posted here!!!! Sounds like a bunch of velcrobutt floor nurses that have no satisfaction for their job because they don't have the initiative to do it well or get out! Maybe if you are feeling you don't make a difference in someone's life, you should try a department like the ED where seconds count, and the minute you recognize V-tach and can defibrillate before the rest of the staff gets in the room....well, that makes a difference in that pt.'s life....going from dead to alive in a matter of seconds because of the training their NURSE had!!! Being able to use your brain and do what needs to be done sometimes before a doctor has seen the pt. because of your education as a NURSE!!

    I agree with the person that asked why you are still a nurse after decades if you hate it so much. If you don't like it, then get out and quit giving the rest of us a bad name. And for the person that wonders why "all nurses" are fat....yea, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that there is that steriotype, but not all of us are, I'm a size 8, had to work at it but again, not everything is easy. I work straight nights and love it because the autonomy is better, the nurses do work as a team, and I have depression but I just do something about it instead of blaming it on my profession. And, not a new nurse. New nurses can't work straight nights for us until there at least a year.

    For the person that must be a feminist because of her thoughts that males are treated better in the nursing profession, I beg to differ. Most are just now thought of as equals to women. I have worked with my share of good and bad nurses both male and female. No distinction.

    Yea, we deal with the bullshit pt's that use the ED as their own personal doctor's office, and the homeless that need a warm place to sleep, and the parents that yes, need education on how to treat their child's fever, and the jerk that thinks because they are "so and so" they deserve special treatment before anyone else, and the drunk combative pt's that try to spit all over you, or the psych. pt. that hasn't been taking his meds and tries to throw piss all over you. But then there are the pt.'s that thank you for being there, for taking good care of grandma or grandpa, or they simmer down and realize the error of their ways, or they wish you a happy holiday knowing you are not with your own family. You have to work and live for those moments or you will get dragged down. "There, but for the grace of God, go I."

    Everything in life is what you make of it!
  47. Come on EDRN...we're all in the same boat. Don't put down floor nurses please. I'm in the ED too but worked the floors for 18 years. Wouldn't go back if you offered a million either. It's hell on that side and it's obvious you never worked there and haven't got a clue. So trust me hot shot...stick with the ER because you wouldn't make it any where else.

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    Quote:
    Originally posted by EDRN
    WOW!!! What a bunch of bullshit posted here!!!! Sounds like a bunch of velcrobutt floor nurses that have no satisfaction for their job because they don't have the initiative to do it well or get out! Maybe if you are feeling you don't make a difference in someone's life, you should try a department like the ED where seconds count, and the minute you recognize V-tach and can defibrillate before the rest of the staff gets in the room....well, that makes a difference in that pt.'s life....going from dead to alive in a matter of seconds because of the training their NURSE had!!! Being able to use your brain and do what needs to be done sometimes before a doctor has seen the pt. because of your education as a NURSE!!

    I agree with the person that asked why you are still a nurse after decades if you hate it so much. If you don't like it, then get out and quit giving the rest of us a bad name. And for the person that wonders why "all nurses" are fat....yea, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that there is that steriotype, but not all of us are, I'm a size 8, had to work at it but again, not everything is easy. I work straight nights and love it because the autonomy is better, the nurses do work as a team, and I have depression but I just do something about it instead of blaming it on my profession. And, not a new nurse. New nurses can't work straight nights for us until there at least a year.

    For the person that must be a feminist because of her thoughts that males are treated better in the nursing profession, I beg to differ. Most are just now thought of as equals to women. I have worked with my share of good and bad nurses both male and female. No distinction.

    Yea, we deal with the bullshit pt's that use the ED as their own personal doctor's office, and the homeless that need a warm place to sleep, and the parents that yes, need education on how to treat their child's fever, and the jerk that thinks because they are "so and so" they deserve special treatment before anyone else, and the drunk combative pt's that try to spit all over you, or the psych. pt. that hasn't been taking his meds and tries to throw piss all over you. But then there are the pt.'s that thank you for being there, for taking good care of grandma or grandpa, or they simmer down and realize the error of their ways, or they wish you a happy holiday knowing you are not with your own family. You have to work and live for those moments or you will get dragged down. "There, but for the grace of God, go I."

    Everything in life is what you make of it!

  48. Yes, I'm the one with the "smug" attitude who said you guys were idiots for staying in the profession for ten years if you hated it so much.

    My new thought of the day is that "nursing sucks" because it is a female dominated profession. Females like you people are catty, petty, backstabbing liars who are have low self esteem and cheating husbands and then you take all your crap to work to take it out on everybody else.

    You sit around the nurses station talking sh*t about everybody and walk around for 10 minutes trying to find a tech to clean up sh*t for you when you could have done it yourself. You all are so overwhelmed with jealousy because someone looks better in her scrubs because she didn't roll out of bed coming to work looking like crap in wrinkled scrubs and body fluid-stained clogs.

    You can't wait for somebody to mess up so you can run and tell the manager so you can look like the nurse of the year and you bitch and moan about how doctors treat you like an incompetent unintelligent bedpan gopher but you still go into the supply room and get him everything he needs for a lumbar tap while he's standing outside the door joking with the younger, cuter nurses who just aren't quite as fat as you are.

    Nursing doesn't suck. NURSES LIKE YOU SUCK.
  49. This is for the opinions of those who haven't been there, think we're 'quitters' and whatever else was said.

    One, I am not fat. I am a size 1. So forget about the fat jokes. Two, doctors do not treat me any better because I am young and 'skinny'. I do not run to their beck and call....I advocate for my patients and I will not back down to someone with more letters after their name.

    Two, nursing does suck. It is a female dominated profession and most of the comments made here are more than true: they're reality.

    I was fine my first two years. I loved my job, it was interesting, I used my skills and felt like I really was doing what I was called to do. I got my BScN and my college diploma.

    But after awhile......I got to the point where going home after a day of running literally for 11 hours without a break, being told off by patients, having shit thrown at me, you name it...was just too much. I am now looking at other alternatives. I do not want to leave the nursing profession, but feel another area rather than surgery or medicine would be less stressful on the body, mind, and most of all easier for my family and myself as a person. I have helped many people, saved many lives....I have worked in ER, ICU, cardiology......some days are good and some are bad like any job. Those are the days when people treat you with respect, when we work as a team. The harder the workload the worse it gets. Night shift is better as you have time to go to the bathroom and also document (computerized, written, and verbal).

    But I still long for the area where all are respectful (patients, families, doctors and colleagues), you have time to do your work and get a bit of a break. And I will find it.....but I won't stay 10 years in an area that is unhealthy.

    Three....I've done plenty of lobbying, written letters to ministers of parliament and CEO's, signed petitions, gone to union meetings, you name it. So it makes me angry when someone writes that we don't do anything about it. Get all the facts before presenting a case.

    I will continue to do my part in changing what I can and accepting what I cannot change. But I will also find a way to move on to another area or another profession.....because if we do our part but nobody listens....what good does it do?

    Thanks.
  50. to klm&co: if you have done something other than bitching and moaning about how nursing sucks like lobbying and writing letters, fine, my comment was adressed to nurses who comply bitch and moan and keep their job for ten years. I work in the NICU where babies can't throw their shit at me and they can't cuss me out and that isn't what makes nursing suck. why don't you work in the OR or the ICU where you won't get body fluid thrown at you? you yourself said it is a female- dominated profession, and if it was not it would not suck nearly as much. That's because all of those petty, ignorant, backstabbing, trash-talking self- consious nurses SUCK, not nursing.
  51. Thank you for such kind hearted words. Maybe I'll do that!
  52. Nursing not only sucks, it's one of the worst professions around./ I am thinking of doing something meaningfull with my life. But I don't know what yet. Like most of you I am tired of the caty, witchy people in nursing and the patient's family members that treat you like you're they're maids or that you're a brainless twit. I have been researching for a while now about what I want to do. But I am going to keep looking uintil I find something that has nothing to do with healthcare.
  53. right on Sandra2005! You have a goal in mind, not sure of what you want to do yet but it's good you're thinking about it. You only live once. Find out what you like to do in your spare time and try to make a career out of it.
  54. For all you nurses who just love it-just wait till you get the Nurse Manager from Hell .Like that one ER nurse that "When seconds count for her pt ".Wait till seconds count when she is late coming to work that one time in the snow,etc. .Get ready for a verbal warning, or even the write up.All it takes is the Manager from Hell -it can make or break the unit or you.
  55. Also, all we need is more paper work.
  56. ...and I thought we had it bad as Respiratory Therapists. However, like the thread starter I'm very close to making good my escape. I don't plan on looking back for a second. I recently received one of those local advertising/recruiting "magazines" that have a couple of articles followed by 17 pages of ads for RNs and allied health openings. They made a big deal of discussing the RN shortage and how the state of Georgia was in the process of adding more RN education programs.

    What they completely ignored was that by doing so all they're accomplishing is increasing the rate of flow of the water into a seive. So far, I have yet to see anyone talk about addressing the reasons why RNs (and allied health folks) leave the profession as a way to solve the RN shortage. But, I guess that would make too much sense.

    In the end, the best way to send a message is to vote with your feet. Best wishes in your new career. As for the "newbies" get out while the gettin's good.
  57. Daystrom makes a good point - does anyone know of any research into why nurses leave? Surely the 'profession' can't be that blind to keep recruiting staff without wondering why the can't retain them..? In my own place of work, everyone who leaves apparently has (or is supposed to have) an exit interview in which they explain why they're leaving, but us suckers who remain never get to see the results.
  58. There is one additional aspect of nursing that no one ever seems to mention, but in my opinion, it is the most essential problem with this career. Almost everyone who goes into nursing believes that they are interested in helping people and that nursing is a way to do that. After they work as a nurse for awhile, they discover that they almost never help anyone.

    They wander around for 8 or 10 or 12 hours doing endless tasks because someone wrote "orders" for those tasks to be performed, or because it's hospital protocol. The tasks themselves are often unnecessary. They are frequently done at times when the patient is trying to sleep, eat, or socialize.

    Nurses spend a lot of their time doing things to other people that are humiliating, invasive, painful, and/or frightening. This not only does not feel like "helping" to the nurse who is doing it, it is seldom responded to by the recipient as if it were helpful. In other words, many people respond to the nurse as if she is the enemy, and nurses respond in kind. Of course it goes without saying that there is also an adversarial relationship between nurses and doctors, between nursing management and staff nurses, among the different nursing shifts, between nurses of different races, among the r.n.'s, the lpn's, and stna's, and even between the nurses and the ward secretaries. There is no other work environment that I can think of where there are more factions vying with each other for power, recognition, and authority.

    The reality is that modern medicine, in its totality, is a huge scam. Medicines don't help. Treatments don't help. Most times what passes as medical care is just torturing people to stroke other peoples' egos and make money for pharma, and hospitals, and doctors.

    Many of the meds that patients receive actually do far more harm than good. Many meds are prescribed to counter the side effects of other meds.

    Then there are the patients who are imminently going to die of their illness no matter what you do, ancient patients who undergo surgery, who have multiple health problems, who are comatose or completely fried, and who have had a long full life into their 80s or even 90s, but who are never permitted to die with dignity as long as they have insurance and there is money to be made.

    Hospitals are dirty. People get sick and die just from being in a hospital. Doctors and nurses make all kinds of errors. Procedures are often painful and totally without benefit. Medications are ineffectual and often cause far more suffering and damage than doing nothing. Patients can't sleep with all the noise and interruptions. The food is horrible. The cost is insane.

    The reality is that nurses are just flunkies in a system that is all about making money. Nurses don't help people. They aren't even supposed to help people really. They're just supposed to follow "orders" so that someone else can make bundles of money off of human frailty and the fear of death.

    That is the real reason nursing sucks so much. At some point, if you have any kind of brain in your head, you realize the magnitude of the scam. You recognize that you are almost never helping anyone. You're just there doing the bidding of the egomaniacs, the power trippers, and the money grubbers.

    You're running around like a nut doing all kinds of nutty crap with pumps and instruments and tubes and bags and syringes and it's all just a complete bunch of crap. The vast majority of the time what you are doing isn't going to give that person one more extra minute in this world. You're only causing them pain. And not only are you causing them pain, you're probably making them sicker.

    Most nurses know this is true, at least on some level. But virtually no profession pays (with only a two year degree required) as much as nursing. So nurses sell their souls to get at the end of the line behind all the other money grubbers. And they also get into the power games. But the real reason, at the end of the day, why they all want out is because they know that they're only hurting people. It isn't about the flinging of body fluid.
  59. Being a nurse for 16 years I have come to realize that most of your coworkers are assholes. They are chronic back stabbers and are trying to make everyone else look worse than them.

    A meal break is out of the question. If you want to take lunch the other nurses complain about you and then you get in trouble. It is the law!! I deserve a lunch break. Maybe if others took lunch they would not be so opressed. But lets also look at other work...there are plenty of assholes in other jobs also. Nurses are the worst.

    They should give lessons in communication skills to all nurses. People I work with complain from the time they come to work till the time they leave about every nurse they follow. I would not want my children to be a nurse & have to put up with what I put up with.

    My manager sucks. She should go back to the country where she is from.

    Talk about dying with dignity....we hook up a mso4 pca and basically help kill people so they die faster.

    oh myyyy... to be a nurse.
    PS and most doctors are nasty & suck and that is ok. No one sticks up for nurses. Everything everyone (other nurses, patients and family members) says about you is true and you never have any defense. No wonder why there is always a nursing shortage.
  60. Quote:
    Originally posted by Unregistered
    It's really sad to these stories of people wanting to help others but the system won't allow them to.

    I know of a little-known option for ladies who want a profitable and fulfilling career path that allows them to put their family first. I can be reached at sharonisathome@charter.net
    Can we stop with all the pyramid scam bullshit?
  61. I have been an RN for 3 years with a B.nursing degree. I agree with all the negative aspects of the job. i have experience a lot of what other people have posted on this site. I want to get out of nursing, it's the pits.

    I have had enough of all the horizontal and vertical violence, nurses and doctors seem to sling at each other. Bullying (overt & covert), bitching about each other, and contant putting down of collegues. Nurses are the worst back stabbers and do not support each other. I constantly change jobs between emergency medicine and theatre to try and find an elusive unit where there is harmony and a plesant place to work. To tell you the truth, I have come to the conclusion it does not exist. There is always a group of people with vested interests to put you down. There is an old saying in the profession "nurses eat their young". I have been in a new nursing job for a month and already have another job to go to (going to try an interstate hospital, maybe it will be different but I doubt it, who am I kidding), because the current unit that i work in is dysfunctional, understaffed, has a large number of nasty vandictive doctors and nurses festering in it's bowels. The whole unit needs to be sacked (fired) and started again. I made the mistake of returning to this unit after a year in emergency medicine, guess i am a sucker for punishment or just plain stupid.

    As a graduate nurse, my first year was hell. I recieved minimal and poor training in my first year, even though I was in a training program for graduate nurses. Hospitals claim they have great, friendly training programs......Don't believe them, it's a gimic to suck you in. i was, Left to my own devices most of the time and expected to perform tasks that i was not familar with. Managment and senior nurses always made the excuses that they were understaffed and had no time to train, mentor or develop new nurses. Nurse educators in my opionion are useless waste of space, they don't educate these days, they are too busy caught up in the paperwork trail and making themselves seem important. they need to get back out on the floor and get a reality check, instead of sitting in the air conditioned offices in front of a computer all day. But then again that's why they took the job to escape the high patient loads, bullying and stress.


    Management in hospitals these days is poor and getting worse. Managment is not interested in patient care or staff. It's all about budgets, money and appearing to be efficient and serving the public. Patient loads are shocking, dangerous and unreasonable. I have been used, abused, setup, shalfted this week and it's only Monday, and worse it was my collegues.

    I regret becoming a nurse, this was a second career for me. I have become burnt out, stressed and unhappy. I would not recomend becoming a nurse. Do something else at university, don't waste 3 precious years of your life unless you want to be used, abused and abandoned.

    A frustrated Australian Nurse............
  62. The gung ho nursing student?? Well guess what?? I am OUT of the nursing school program!! Yep!! I am not going to live my life aspiring to become a SHIT SHOVELER, PEE WIPER, or VOMIT WIPER. Life is too short to aspire for such great heights.

    I can safely say to all of you....YOU ARE RIGHT. NURSING S U C K S!!!
  63. I am a nursing student about to graduate this May. I was actually searching for a site about how nursing school sucks. I was not prepared to read all of this! I cannot relate to you how awful nursing school has been. The instructors are mostly asses who ride their high horses into the classroom. I once had a nursing instructor say to me in front of all the nurses at the nurses station, "I don't mind if you chew gum, but if your going to sound like a cow when you do it, I'd rather you not". I looked around...embarrassed...some of the nurses seemed almost gratified by what she had said. I have been belittled, humiliated, bullied, and made to feel like a royal idiot. Before coming into nursing school, I thought I was pretty smart. Today, I feel beaten down and walked on. I chose this profession because I thought it would be fulfilling. Before I had a car, I used to take the bus. The bus went by a hospital, and I would see the postpartum nurses bringing the mothers and babies out to their car. I thought about how wonderful and rewarding their job must have been. My grandma was also a nurse, and encouraged me to go into nursing. She said she loved being a nurse. There was also the media...constantly broadcasting a need for nurses and "the nursing shortage". I also heard about how well nursing pays. Taking all of these factors into account, I decided to go for nursing. I was shocked when I entered into the clinical setting to discover how mean nurses really were. I expected them to be kind and caring, after all, nurses are the most trusted profession. Nope. They were mean mean mean. What the hell? I obviously didn't know what the hell I was doing. We had one instructor for like 9 students. She couldn't be there with me every step of the way. But I was treated like a scabies infestation. The nurses would complain to me that we students weren't supervised enough, that they had too much work to do and couldn't take the time to help out students on top of what they were already doing. Ok. Fine....but why do I get bitched at? How is it my fault? What should I do to change it? I told my instructor what the nurses said to me, and she just got more pissy with us students and the nurses at the hospital. So great! Basically, my entire time in nursing school was spent trying to stay out of the way of nurses, be as invisible and unobtrusive as I could be. I hated to go to them if I needed help. I found the nurses assistants to be the most kind and helpful to me. Anyway, I was hoping that once I actually had the two little letters behind my name, I would leave all this hell behind me. It looks to me, by reading this thread, that nursing will always be stressful and demeaning. I think it may be because females are naturally competitive with their own sex. Who knows? But I really wish I hadn't read this. It's not like I can just give up and change professions at this point. Oh...and another thing. When I entered nursing school, jobs were being flung at new grads. Not so these days. I live in northern CA, and only 2 people out of 60 have secured a job. A great majority of the last graduating class hasn't found jobs either. Two and a half years of putting up with crap to get a BSN, and no job prospects. If I sound bitter, it is because I am. The nursing shortage is a myth. Nurses are being laid off. The profession is not secure. The health care system is in shambles. I am praying that I will find a job soon and won't experience what so many of you here have described. Please let it work out for me!
  64. The problem is that we have conflicting agendas. The AMA wants us to perform as CNA's with some additional duties like passing meds and watch for monitor lights to flash and ring. They don't care if we understand why we start that vaso drip, or if we police their fuckups (because physicians NEVER fuck up, right?). They just want us to carry out the orders and stop talking so damn much.

    On the other end of the continuum we have nursing attempting distinguish itself as a profession that is on par with physicians. And their logic is flawed for the following reasons:

    1) We wear pajamas to work
    2) We clean up shit
    3) We belong to labor unions. Last time I checked, labor unions were for blue collar workers.
    4) We talk shit about each other rather than approach the individual with issues we may have (which is one of the most unprofessional traits I have observed during my 11 years in healthcare).

    If nursing is so intent on establishing itself as a profession, maybe we should redefine the scope of practice for LPNs, CNAs, and RNs to better utilize our education and resources.
  65. yeah tsk tsk tsk
  66. Are you looking for a new job or a new career? If you are, your first step should be examining job listings. When it comes to finding job listings, you have a number of different options. For instance, you can use your local newspaper, the internet, or career counseling centers. In a way, finding job listings is the easy part. Actually getting the job that you want is the hard part...........
  67. At the end of most interviews, most interviewers ask the interviewee, which would be you, if you have any questions. You are advised to ask questions. In all honesty, even if you don’t have any questions to ask, you are advised to come up with some. Many interviewers use the “do you have any questions,” as a ploy. Many are turned off by interviewees who do not have any questions. Some even associated it with not be interested in the job or the company. Even if you ask about how the company got started or what the chances are for moving up the company ladder, you are advised to ask questions. Of course, be careful with the questions that you do ask. You don’t want to sound too pushy or overbearing.
  68. Couldn't have found a more perfect thing to read right now.
    ---------------->>> F#@% MY LIFE <<<---------------------
    LET ME TELL YOU...
    So, I rushed my college education straight out of college only to wait
    two years to get admitted into a program. I thought I wanted to be a nurse.
    I wanted to help people, do good in this world.
    I believe I'm bright, and do the impossible to get to where I want.
    I've heald two supervisor positions when I worked during my wait
    and love leadership.

    What was once thought to be a pursuit of a humble career turned into a rat race.
    It's really about that ideal life we all want. It's really about the money.
    My parents also pushed me into it, like there was no other choice.
    I was starting to get restless in the waiting, and just when I find out I got admitted,
    I find out that I'm pregnant. Had an abortion I will regret for the rest of my life.
    I was placed to begin a semester later than expected out of nowhere. I get layed off.
    I stay positive and try my best. First semester I get a B. Doing great, learning a lot.

    All of a sudden, my parents decide they won't pay for my school anymore.
    Financial Aid and loans? What a joke. Unemployment? *sigh*
    My parents get a divorce. I move in with my boyfriend.
    The only job I can get is a night shift doing security. I do it. Do homework at work.
    My parents are no good support anymore. Our relationship is very strained.

    Summer vacation starts, but I feel sick.
    I started out a healthy, happy person. Well, that summer
    I'm diagnosed with a DVT, diabetes (go into DKA), have
    carpal tunnel, hypertension, and become very emotionally unstable.
    I seek help, and after a lot of work, I recover.


    Second semester, first half, good grades start lowering.
    I start getting sick very often. I end up with a C.

    Second semester, second half, things are looking up. I'm very likely to get at least a B.
    3 more weeks left until school's over,
    I get scabies. Can't come to clinical for 3 days (then comes Thanksgiving weekend).

    >>>> I GET DISMISSED FROM THE NURSING PROGRAM. <<<<

    I'm told that I cannot drop the class. I will recieve an F on my transcript.
    My parents are giving me crap for it. Everyone else is SHOCKED, including myself.
    I was always the support person for everyone even when I had my own battles.
    I was so submerged into the program, was even elected as class president.
    And now??

    I can't even re-apply until one year from now, and my placement is not
    guarranteed; it's based on spaces available, and sick leaves have priority (not me).
    I went from expecting to graduating December 2011 to December 2013 or later.

    I don't even know what to do or how to feel. I've done everything I could to
    try to reverse it and stay. It's a final decision.

    I don't want to hear general advice like "be positive" or "take it as a vacation".
    I've heard this ALL day long.
    WHAT CAN I DO?
    I have the potential to be a great SOMEONE. I know it.
    Nursing schools make us see this proffession as a dog eat dog deep down inside
    from the very beginning.